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[CrazyDaisy]

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@NUNYA wrote:

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@NoelSeven wrote:

Most parents do not want to hear from the school.  When they do, they're angry at their child, especially if that means they are called in for a conference with the teacher or principal OR they have to find child care for a younger student.

Often, the threat of parent involvement is enough to scare that student into shaping up.

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So true.  Just the thought of my mother having to leave work to come to the school, straightened me right up. I knew it wasn't going to be pretty. 

And if you got suspended at my school, a parent need to pick you up, right then. Not later, not at the end of the day.

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Unfortunatly that is not how things work at many schools.  Parents are not involved.  Lets face it, if this girl respected authority she would not have been in this situation.

[60sgirl]

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@NoelSeven wrote:

Most parents do not want to hear from the school.  When they do, they're angry at their child, especially if that means they are called in for a conference with the teacher or principal OR they have to find child care for a younger student.

Often, the threat of parent involvement is enough to scare that student into shaping up.

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 you are painting a picture here that doesn't always exist IRL. I have a family member who is a school psychologist for inner city schools and believe me, many of these kids have no parents at home, one parent, drug addicted parents, and abusers to deal with. Again, just because in your world parents are made about going in for conferences doesn't mean that is the norm.  

My son went to a large high school that became a violent mess by the time he graduated. I was a very involved parent but when I found out about his tardiness record at a parent/teacher conference and demanded to know why no one in administration had called me about it, you know what I was told? Mrs ____, there are 3000 kids in this school and many of them  have parents that don't care, we don't know which parents care and which don't and we don't have time to find out. If he hadn't been in the last few months of school, I would have pulled him out but I had no choice. I did however arrange a meeting with the Mayor of the City about what was going on. Sadly it did not get better. 

[Annabellethecat66]

My daughter said they probably should have scooted her desk out in the hall and had the principal come and babysit her.

I have always been a volunteer in my daughter's schools.  The oldest is 42 and the youngest is 35.  I have many friends who are retired teachers.  Many retired early because they hated their jobs. They are unappreciated.  The children aren't taught at home to respect authority and they are there to learn.

In the first place I wouldn't be a teacher today.  In the second place, I'd have reported the incident to the office and walked out after someone came in to babysit these people.

I've just about talked my daughter into letting me pay for all 4 of her children to go to private school.  One of her children goes to a school for gifted children and works with the Kennedy Center.  They go to school to learn.

The other children were there to learn.  If I were their parents I'd be upset about the entire situation.

I don't understand how they are allowed to have cell phones in class anyway.  Where I live they can't.

[biancardi]

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@CrazyDaisy wrote:

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@biancardi wrote:

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@CrazyDaisy wrote:

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@biancardi wrote:

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@CrazyDaisy wrote:

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@biancardi wrote:

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@CrazyDaisy wrote:

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@biancardi wrote:

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@CrazyDaisy wrote:

Amazing that there are people who are so willing to give some people a pass concerning their behavior and crucify others.  When you put yourself into situatiopns where bad things can happen, don't be suprised when they do.

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For everyone else, I would agree. But police are not SUPPOSED to do this. 

There is no reason why he should have over-reacted like he did.

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So if this had been a teacher, would you then be OK with how this turned out.

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ACtually no.  I was referring to people who aren't in positions of authority and aren't trained to deal with this.  I am NOT okay with any of this at all.

I was agreeing that normal people might escalate it - doesn't mean I agree with it.  Police aren't supposed to do this at all as they have been trained specifically for these use cases.

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So then if another student had tried to remove her from the class that way they both would get a pass.

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You seem to be having an issue with what I am saying.  What part of "I am NOT okay with any of this at all" are you having an problem understanding here?

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The part where you say "For everyone else I would agree.  Police are not SUPPOSED to do this"

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And you should continuing READING ON. I didn't STOP at 2 sentences.

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The last two sentences apply to the police officer with the use ofthe pronoun "he" not everyone else.

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I have no idea what you are talking about.   What part of my comment do you not understand? 

Are you truly confused with what I stated (which I cannot be clearer that I am not okay with it) or just looking to argue for the sake of it?

[Snoopp]

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@60sgirl wrote:

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@NoelSeven wrote:

Students who act up in school as this girl did are ordered to go to the principal's office.

If they refuse, typically they are suspended and a note is sent home to their parent or guardian.

If the problem is worse they are expelled.

They are not routinely assaulted and thrown around the room.

Violence breeds violence.

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 well, it seems she was told 3x and didn't listen. Now pray tell, what would you have done while this was going on? You are still trying to teach the rest of the students and one of them is disrupting the class. How exactly do you get her to the principal's office if she doesn't listen?

No one is excusing an assualt by an officer, but what I fail to understand is how some people are always right there in support of unruly, undisciplined, kids who have respect for anyone in authority. Are you thinking they don';t exist? They do. And if they are that way in school, how likely is it that they have parents at home who really care or are involved in their lives, otherwise why would they be so undisciplined in the first place? 

 I agree.  I can see situations where the parent won't even bother to come in to pick up the child.  Maybe schools are going to have to have a 3 strikes rule and automatic expulsion.  If you don't want to learn and don't want to be there, then stay home.  This pattern of individuals pushing boundaries, becoming confrontational and engaging police is disturbing. 

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[SusieQ_2]

@60sgirl

In response to your comment that she was told 3x, it goes further than that.

There was another interesting video on the link that was provided of what one of the students from the classroom wrote on social media. He said the teacher had asked the student to put her phone away and she said no. Eventually the teacher called an administrator to the room who asked the girl to come to his office. Again, the girl refused saying no. That was when the officer was called in. He asked her several times to give him the phone, and again, she refused. 

Does that excuse an officer for going too far? Of course not, but the girl is clearly responsible for being a catalyst that led to the incident happening to begin with. Apparently, despite the rough treatment from the officer, the girl suffered no injury. Now, she needs to be held responsible for her part of the situation just as the officer was.

As the sheriff said, "some of the responsibilty falls on her." 

[Anonymous]

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