FIRED - Page 7

CrazyDaisy · ‎03-20-2010

@Smaug wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@Smaug wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
Amazing that there are people who are so willing to give some people a pass concerning their behavior and crucify others. When you put yourself into situatiopns where bad things can happen, don't be suprised when they do.
When we put ourselves in a situation we do so as adults.
Even children are taught not to put themselves into bad situations, i.e don't go with strangers. Why do some get a pass and others do not, is there some magic formula I missed when you are no longer responsible for you actions.
Even if a child ends up in a bad situation that s/he created it should never lead to violence in a classroom. I am dumbfounded that people do not seem to grasp this.

Well I am dumbfound that people are giving this girl a pass for her behavior.

Someday, when scientists discover the center of the Universe....some people will be disappointed it is not them.

NoelSeven · ‎03-09-2010

Given enough time, people out themselves.

A Thrill Of Hope The Weary World Rejoices

Say Nay · ‎03-12-2010

@Mominohio wrote:
@Smaug wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@Smaug wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
And even the sherrif is stating that the girl bears responsibility for how this scenario played out, for acting out to the level that the officer even had to be called in.

So it goes. She bears as much responsibility as he did (more because she started it) for what happened to her.
Read your own posted link, the sheriff did indeed say the girl bears responsibility.

Why so many people can't understand personal responsibility is beyond me.
And the officer has a higher duty to exercise both professional and personal responsibility as well. He was the aggressor and he's been terminated.
He was not the aggressor, she was. She acted out first, she disobeyed more than one person before he got there.

This is the real world that many won't raise their kids to understand. Not everyone is going to negotiate with you. Not everyone is going to take your bull. This guy might well have saved her life, if she learned a lesson that in the real world, on the streets, if you push someone, they will push back, and sometimes in a manner that is in excess or dangerous or deadly.
Aggressor does not define the actions of a teen who simply won't put her cell phone away.
It was aggression. It was more than not putting a cell phone away by the time he got there. It escalated, and she escalated it.

There is obviously a rule about having phones out in class. I'm sure she knows that, but believes that it not only doesn't apply to her, but that she can continue to defy what is asked of her in conjunction with her first refusal. Guess she found out that there are consequences to her lack of respect.

What are the consequences? That the man who attacked her was terminated and she will be awarded tens of thousands of dollars?

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Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@NoelSeven wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@NoelSeven wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@Smaug wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
And even the sherrif is stating that the girl bears responsibility for how this scenario played out, for acting out to the level that the officer even had to be called in.

So it goes. She bears as much responsibility as he did (more because she started it) for what happened to her.
Is there a news source where I can read this? Thanks.
@Say Nay

Yes in the link that the OP posted herself, then argues about what is in it.
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You have it backwards. Even the sheriff in charge can't make you understand what he said,

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I understand, you're just devastated that even the Sheriff says you're wrong and won't support the bullying you think is normal and acceptable.

You can repeat that over and over, but you still lost. Your approval of bullying and assault is wrong.

You saying I'm wrong doesn't change the fact that the sheriff admits she bears responsibility for what happened to her. She bears some of the responsibility. Sorry you are incapable of understanding that, and that lack of understanding of personal responsibility landed her where she was on that floor, and shows you don't realize that I've lost nothing, and you've won nothing.

NoelSeven · ‎03-09-2010

@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@Smaug wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@Smaug wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
Amazing that there are people who are so willing to give some people a pass concerning their behavior and crucify others. When you put yourself into situatiopns where bad things can happen, don't be suprised when they do.
When we put ourselves in a situation we do so as adults.
Even children are taught not to put themselves into bad situations, i.e don't go with strangers. Why do some get a pass and others do not, is there some magic formula I missed when you are no longer responsible for you actions.
Even if a child ends up in a bad situation that s/he created it should never lead to violence in a classroom. I am dumbfounded that people do not seem to grasp this.
Well I am dumbfound that people are giving this girl a pass for her behavior.

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No one gave her a pass.

You don't have children, do you? If you did, you would be familiar with what happens to unruly kids because you would have been in the PTA and learned that.

A Thrill Of Hope The Weary World Rejoices

CrazyDaisy · ‎03-20-2010

@biancardi wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@biancardi wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
Amazing that there are people who are so willing to give some people a pass concerning their behavior and crucify others. When you put yourself into situatiopns where bad things can happen, don't be suprised when they do.

For everyone else, I would agree. But police are not SUPPOSED to do this.
There is no reason why he should have over-reacted like he did.

So if this had been a teacher, would you then be OK with how this turned out.

ACtually no. I was referring to people who aren't in positions of authority and aren't trained to deal with this. I am NOT okay with any of this at all.

I was agreeing that normal people might escalate it - doesn't mean I agree with it. Police aren't supposed to do this at all as they have been trained specifically for these use cases.

So then if another student had tried to remove her from the class that way they both would get a pass.

Someday, when scientists discover the center of the Universe....some people will be disappointed it is not them.

Say Nay · ‎03-12-2010

@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@Smaug wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@Smaug wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
Amazing that there are people who are so willing to give some people a pass concerning their behavior and crucify others. When you put yourself into situatiopns where bad things can happen, don't be suprised when they do.
When we put ourselves in a situation we do so as adults.
Even children are taught not to put themselves into bad situations, i.e don't go with strangers. Why do some get a pass and others do not, is there some magic formula I missed when you are no longer responsible for you actions.
Even if a child ends up in a bad situation that s/he created it should never lead to violence in a classroom. I am dumbfounded that people do not seem to grasp this.
Well I am dumbfound that people are giving this girl a pass for her behavior.

A pass? I said she did not deserve to be violently thrown on the ground and put into a headlock. That is giving her a pass?

Good grief.

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NoelSeven · ‎03-09-2010

@Mominohio wrote:
@NoelSeven wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@NoelSeven wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@Smaug wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
And even the sherrif is stating that the girl bears responsibility for how this scenario played out, for acting out to the level that the officer even had to be called in.

So it goes. She bears as much responsibility as he did (more because she started it) for what happened to her.
Is there a news source where I can read this? Thanks.
@Say Nay

Yes in the link that the OP posted herself, then argues about what is in it.
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You have it backwards. Even the sheriff in charge can't make you understand what he said,

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I understand, you're just devastated that even the Sheriff says you're wrong and won't support the bullying you think is normal and acceptable.

You can repeat that over and over, but you still lost. Your approval of bullying and assault is wrong.
You saying I'm wrong doesn't change the fact that the sheriff admits she bears responsibility for what happened to her. She bears some of the responsibility. Sorry you are incapable of understanding that, and that lack of understanding of personal responsibility landed her where she was on that floor, and shows you don't realize that I've lost nothing, and you've won nothing.

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That is NOT what he said.

A Thrill Of Hope The Weary World Rejoices

RinaRina · ‎03-13-2010

@physicsnut wrote:
This is not the first time this girl has been in trouble - her first reaction is to hit - the officer was defending himself. She was told 3 times to obey - she hit him first in the side of his face. Mark my word, this won't be the last time she will cause trouble. She has a violent history.

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You're right. This won't be the last time SHE CAUSES TROUBLE because I'm sure in her warped mind, she "got away" with it.

The whole purpose of disruptng the class is to prevent others from learning. She should be removed from the school.

"The less you respond to negative people, the more peaceful your life will become."

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@NycVixen wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@NoelSeven wrote:
@Smaug wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
And even the sherrif is stating that the girl bears responsibility for how this scenario played out, for acting out to the level that the officer even had to be called in.

So it goes. She bears as much responsibility as he did (more because she started it) for what happened to her.
Is there a news source where I can read this? Thanks.
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He said she bore responsibility for the officer being called in, NOT for the assault.

The CNN link has it, Smaug.
Well, lets just look at chain of events. If she hadn't behaved in a way for him to be called, then she wouldn't have even had to be in a position to have happen to her what did. Chain of events, that she is responsible not only for initiating, but for escalating after repeated interaction by school staff.
@Mominohio This is a high school full of teenagers. There will be misbehavior. That doesn't mean that an officer has a right to use excessive force to assualt a child. Does this mean that a grown man has the right to body slam a child or even if the person is an adult with exessive force because the other person 'started it'?

I think many here are losing sight of the real issue; the use of EXCESSIVE force. The situation did not warrant his use of force. Period. The issue is not if the student hit him or not or if she started it. He's not supposed to hit her period. What is so hard to understand? Any force he uses on his part needs to be defensive. In the video you can clearly see she is seated without attacking him before he body slams her.

It doesn't matter what he was supposed to or not supposed to do, when looking at her responsibility in this issue. It doesn't matter how wrong he is or is not, it doesn't diminish her role in it, or her responsibility for her own actions or for being involved in it.