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[Pashmina_1]

You are welcome. Hard feelings? Of course not, I enjoyed it, too!

[SuiGeneris]

Good! I'm glad!

[goodstuff]

On 3/28/2015 Pashmina said:

On 3/27/2015 Buck-i-Nana said:

On 3/27/2015 Pashmina said:

On 3/27/2015 GoodStuff said:

For what it's worth, I can't think of a major religion that doesn't recognize the existence of good and evil and a struggle between them. Evil seems to have been here since the beginning.......and seems to hold an alluring fascination for us humans. We just can't leave it alone.

But whose fault is that? Wasn't it man's to begin with? Wasn't it Adam and Eve who sinned and disobeyed? What if Adam and Eve had not sinned? Where would we be today? Would evil exist without sin?

According to the Bible, Satan was created by God. He was created as a Cherub. Before God created man, Satan turned against God and took many angels with him in his rebellion, so no, it was not man who was the first to sin. Again, according to the Bible, it was Satan who deceived Eve and led her and Adam into sin.

I meant the first humans to sin. Adam and Eve could have resiste/xd Satan and if they did they would still be alive today. God would have destroyed Satan and his demons right off the bat because he would have had no human followers

Exactly. But Adam and Eve didn't resist......and they did disobey God. The bigger question (if you accept the Biblical account and/or or the meaning behind it) is why God allowed the Evil One into the garden to tempt humankind in the first place. Some think it is because mankind wouldn't be truly free without having a choice to obey or disobey, to follow God or go another way. It's a question that has kept theologians and philosophers busy for eons.

The implications of the Biblical story are fasctinating. You have perfect, created beings in a beautiful garden with free access to every good thing and perfect human and divine companionship.........and they screw it up by doing the ONE AND ONLY THING they were commanded not to do. Not really unusual for people, when you think about it.......

[HiLo]

On 3/29/2015 SuiGeneris said:

On 3/29/2015 Pashmina said:

Justice is one of God's qualities so that would make Him is the epitome of fairness. You and I will just have to agree to disagree. And Satan was never referred to as Lucifer.

Who then is Lucifer if he is not Satan? Isaiah 14:12-17 NKJV:

The Fall of Lucifer

¹² “How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
¹³ For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
¹⁴ I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
¹⁵ Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.

¹⁶ “Those who see you will gaze at you,
And consider you, saying:
‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
Who shook kingdoms,
¹⁷ Who made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities,
Who did not open the house of his prisoners?’

I was just going to post these verses. I have always struggled with predestination although I cannot deny that most scripture seem to indicate it is true and yet there also seems to be some evidence that free will is taught also. You know your Bible, Sui..

Of course this text was directed to Satan (Lucifer). Describes his fall perfectly. He was once the most anointed angel God created until he rebelled and countless angels rebelled with him. Satan did all he could do to get Jesus to the cross thinking he would be rid of him but praise God during this Holy Week we can rejoice because Christ Jesus died and rose again for us; providing a possible relationship with Him while on earth and a future with Him in the life to come that comes by faith alone.

[Pashmina_1]

Isaiah 14:12 HAS to be read and understood IN context. Otherwise one can totally misunderstand the meaning of this chapter and the reference to Lucifer. In the beginning of this chapter it give the subject matter, verse 3, it is obvious that Isaiah was speaking about the king of Babylon and most most scholars will agree. Also given the consideration the name Lucifer is only mentioned this one time throughout the whole Bible is another clue.