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[dulwich]

Only people who have been either a victim of bombing or witnessed a bombing can understand the trauma, fear, hysteria which grabs you.

I was involved in a bombing in London and for once my serene, calm, self was - for want of better words - blown away.

no-one can or should be penalized for not saying or putting out the "appropriate statements" at what is considered to be the right time after such an event.  

This type of experience stays with you for ever plus every time I look at scars on legs  it all comes back.  Awful events.

[Isobel Archer]

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@Noel7 wrote:

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@Noel7 wrote:

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@Noel7 wrote:

Numerous neurological studies have shown the human brain isn't fully developed until at least 25 years of age.

i don't understand those who are out for blood, blaming AG who is surely traumatized herself.

The only one to blame is the bomber and anyone who helped him kill and maim innocent young people and anyone else who was hurt.

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But then the bomber isn't responsible either as he's only 22.

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SHE isn't responsible because she wasn't part of the bombing.  HE was.  That's not rocket science.

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Hello.  I never said, implied or otherwise mentioned that she was responsible in any way.

You are the one who brought up neurological studies  - to prove what point then exactly?

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SERIOUSLY?

I spelled it out for you above. See message 187.

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Right.  She's under 25 so she is not responsible - for what exactly I'm not sure.  But even tho he's under 25 also, he's entirely responsible.

Got it. 

[Melania]

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@dulwich wrote:

Only people who have been either a victim of bombing or witnessed a bombing can understand the trauma, fear, hysteria which grabs you.

I was involved in a bombing in London and for once my serene, calm, self was - for want of better words - blown away.

no-one can or should be penalized for not saying or putting out the "appropriate statements" at what is considered to be the right time after such an event.  

This type of experience stays with you for ever plus every time I look at scars on legs  it all comes back.  Awful events.

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I'm so sorry for what you went through. Your trauma had to imaginable.

Thank you for putting it so well...hopefully it will sink into those quick to blame while they sit in their safe havens of non-reality.

Take care.

[goldensrbest]

Why can't we talk about the ones hurt,killed and stop bringing up the singer?

[Maudelyn]

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:

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@JobGirl wrote:

I don't think anyone is blaming her I think people are saying she has had attitide in the past about certain things -and maybe after this her perspective may change-

its a harsh reality now prior it was her living in her insulated celebrity self absorbed world

At least thats what I am understanding by the posts about her

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There is nothing to blame her for at all. I don't know why her attitude, prior reputation or brother has anything to do with this awful tragedy. The focus should be on the dead and injured, then the madmen and any group he represents. 

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Ah, but that's the tricky part.  We can't necessarily believe he represents ANY group because that would be hateful. 

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No what is hateful is that you are trying to sway the narrative towards a group that has nothing to do with it. 

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Actually, I'm not.  I'm pointing out that apparently the current correct thinking is that every person acts on their own and no group should be blamed.  Especially groups that take credit for it - because as you point out - they had nothing to do with it.

So therefore, it is absolutely impossible to ever prevent such occurrences because we can have absolutely no idea who might be inclined to perpetrate such violence - since it is an entirely individual act after all.

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Sometimes you can and sometimes you can't. What group did Tim Mcveigh represent?  The Tsarnaev brothers? Dylan Roof? the Newtown killer? All terror acts in our own country.  What "group" was blamed?

[AngusandBuddhasMom]

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@Maudelyn wrote:

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@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@JaneMarple wrote:

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@JobGirl wrote:

I don't think anyone is blaming her I think people are saying she has had attitide in the past about certain things -and maybe after this her perspective may change-

its a harsh reality now prior it was her living in her insulated celebrity self absorbed world

At least thats what I am understanding by the posts about her

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There is nothing to blame her for at all. I don't know why her attitude, prior reputation or brother has anything to do with this awful tragedy. The focus should be on the dead and injured, then the madmen and any group he represents. 

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Ah, but that's the tricky part.  We can't necessarily believe he represents ANY group because that would be hateful. 

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No what is hateful is that you are trying to sway the narrative towards a group that has nothing to do with it. 

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The bomber represents a group all right- a violent gang of criminals who are sick enough to latch onto the stupid ravings of lunatics. There are many such individuals.  Even in our own backyard.

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Yes but I doubt that is what the other poster is leaning towards in her comment. Of course at this point she could say different.

[Isobel Archer]

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@Melania wrote:

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@dulwich wrote:

Only people who have been either a victim of bombing or witnessed a bombing can understand the trauma, fear, hysteria which grabs you.

I was involved in a bombing in London and for once my serene, calm, self was - for want of better words - blown away.

no-one can or should be penalized for not saying or putting out the "appropriate statements" at what is considered to be the right time after such an event.  

This type of experience stays with you for ever plus every time I look at scars on legs  it all comes back.  Awful events.

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I'm so sorry for what you went through. Your trauma had to imaginable.

Thank you for putting it so well...hopefully it will sink into those quick to blame while they sit in their safe havens of non-reality.

Take care.

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Yes having survived the Pentagon attack on 9/11 - which I guess we now understand to have been perpetrated by crazy individuals with no particular agenda, it gets harder and harder to see more and more people killed and maimed with just no idea how to stop it.

[Maudelyn]

9/11 was perpetrated by Saudi Arabian Al-Qaeda operatives who were trained and funded in a carefully crafted attack against the US.  Much of what we see these days are either self-radicalized individuals who are wanna-be terrorists, and are elevated by terror groups after the attack is over (for recruitment purposes), or home grown malcontents with easy access to weapons.

[Nancy Drew]

As a country we are all over the place on the age issue. You can vote, drive, serve our country at 18. You cannot however buy or drink alcohol or cigarettes. Some say what she said in the donut incident was youthful stupidity (She was 18 or 19 at the time while 18, 19 year olds were fighting for her right to say that. Others are saying the human brain doesn't mature until 25, if that is correct than why do we let them do adult things? Why do we require adult actions if they are not in fact adults? I have no answers myself, just thinking about all this. 

[itiswhatitis]

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@Nancy Drew wrote:

As a country we are all over the place on the age issue. You can vote, drive, serve our country at 18. You cannot however buy or drink alcohol or cigarettes. Some say what she said in the donut incident was youthful stupidity (She was 18 or 19 at the time while 18, 19 year olds were fighting for her right to say that. Others are saying the human brain doesn't mature until 25, if that is correct than why do we let them do adult things? Why do we require adult actions if they are not in fact adults? I have no answers myself, just thinking about all this. 

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@Nancy DrewBecause"society" says they can do these things.  The powers that be say so.  The people who make policy decisions say so.  Notwithstanding factual human development.  Human Development intertwines with social constructs and sometimes they shouldn't be.  Now, who can we blame for all of this?  I'd say we are to blame as a society who allows it.

The two discussions are not analogous.  One is scientifc the other is social construct.