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[NoelSeven]

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@sidsmom wrote:

I love how everyone is jumping to conclusions.

Sure, all this makes for good Talk TV, but as of this nano-second, 1:20pm CST, Sunday.....a motive has not been made.

Everyone (not just this board, but blogs, 'initial' TV, forums) is trying put a political, religious spin on it.  Makes for good TV ratings, though.

Yes, I realize an unnamed LE source said he mentioned anti-abortion comments.....but that might not mean anything.   And yes, I do realize if it talks like a duck, walks like a duck & sounds like a duck....there's a greater than zero chance it is a duck.....but not necessarily!    This guy could just be a crazy dude living in his crazy world doing crazy things...and wanting to kill people......with nothing even remotely related to PP.  

Two seconds after I hit 'post', it could be reported he had a PP agenda....I get that.   But until then...NO one knows for sure.  

But boy, the forums & TV just love to put their right/left, pro/con 'election year' spin on things.  SMH.....and this thread is a beautiful testament to that.

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i haven't put any political spin on it.  His comment was reported by the police, if you want to ignore that it's you right.  Others of us are free to weigh his reported words.

[terrier3]

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@Mominohio wrote:

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Nicely put. Just because someone recanted, or admitted something, doesn't mean it, and other horrific things aren't actually happening. 

And I do fail to see how those so comitted to protecting this organization, don't equate what happens there to the same level of importance they give to black lives matter, or blue lives matter (LE), etc. If that crazed man doing what he did is wrong, so is what happens there. Either life matters, or it doesn't. All life.

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First of all - if these horrific things were actually happening - people would have been arrested. Instead, states whose leaders are anti-PP have investigated and have found nothing illegal is going on.

In regards to killing of LE - in almost all the cases people have been arrested nd are going to trial for the murders. Many of the killers are unstable, on drugs, maybe even crazy - but no one is giving them a pass - just like no one should give this CO shooter - this terrorist - a pass.

[kdgn]

Noel,  his comments were reported by an unnamed police source that no one has been willing to confirm or deny. However, both sides of the argument are taking it as fact.

It might not be factual but it's highlighted the problems once again because of the shooting location alone.

[HiLo]

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@jubilant wrote:

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@Lila Belle wrote:
People are allowed to have their own views but when LIES are continually being knowingly repeated and those LIES inspire violence the goose and gander are both affected.

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********  That's right....we are all affected by lies.  That street goes both ways.

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Boy are you right, poster.  Lies affect us all and the street definitely does go both ways; watching just one TV channel doesn't necessary tell the whole truth.

[terrier3]

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@kdgn wrote:

Noel,  his comments were reported by an unnamed police source that no one has been willing to confirm or deny. However, both sides of the argument are taking it as fact.

It might not be factual but it's highlighted the problems once again because of the shooting location alone.

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His neighbors also said that when they stopped by to say hello, he gave them anti-leader pamphlets.. The neighbor said that he put the pamphlets in the campfire when he got back home! He is quoted by his name: Zigmond Post.

Why people are trying to deny his actions or his motive is beyond me.

[NoelSeven]

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@kdgn wrote:

Noel,  his comments were reported by an unnamed police source that no one has been willing to confirm or deny. However, both sides of the argument are taking it as fact.

It might not be factual but it's highlighted the problems once again because of the shooting location alone.

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kdgn, I don't disagree with you at all.  What bothers me is when people enter the discussion only to tell the rest of us we shouldn't even be talking anout it.  Turn a blind eye.

[kdgn]

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@NoelSeven wrote:

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@kdgn wrote:

Noel,  his comments were reported by an unnamed police source that no one has been willing to confirm or deny. However, both sides of the argument are taking it as fact.

It might not be factual but it's highlighted the problems once again because of the shooting location alone.

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kdgn, I don't disagree with you at all.  What bothers me is when people enter the discussion only to tell the rest of us we shouldn't even be talking anout it.  Turn a blind eye.

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In addition it bothers me that the same lies that have been proven to be false on so many fronts are still being said as "truth". It's already happened on one news show this morning. She has not only repeated the lies, she has expanded upon them. She is believed by those who wish it to be true.

[jubilant]

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@NoelSeven wrote:

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@jubilant wrote:

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@mstyrion 1 wrote:

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@jubilant wrote:

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@mstyrion 1 wrote:

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@terrier3 wrote:

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@RubyinNE wrote:

Of course he was mentally ill, but his target was the Planned Parenthood clinic.

I won't get into politics, but I will say there was a lot of misinformation and hateful rhetoric regarding the mission of PP. People who are unbalanced react in horrific ways. My thoughts go out to the police officer's family and friends, and the two other victims who were killed in cold blood.

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I'm waiting for the comments and reactions from those who spread all that misinformation on a national stage.

They are uncharacteristically quiet now.

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Terrier,

I share your anger and disgust at those who feel it is their holy duty to target PP clinics, harass the patients and kill doctors.  I find them to be as low a criminal as any gang member who commits murder without remorse.

I understand those who disagree with abortion. They are free not to have one. The fact is, though, that it is legal.  No amount of proselytizing or protesting changes that. 

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**********  Sad....but true.  I think we will pay a heavy price for it.  No, let me phrase that a little better.....I think we  are  paying a heavy price for it.

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If you mean the heavy price is the flat-out lawlessness of those who choose to carry out these acts of terrorism against facilites and doctors who perform legal services, then I agree with you.

If you mean the legality of abortion being a heavy price, then again I will remind you.  You are free to not have one and to disapprove.  You are not free to force that belief on others.

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******  I thank you for reminding me that I am not free to force that belief on others just as others are not free to force theirs on me.

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@jubilant wrote:

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@mstyrion 1 wrote:

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@jubilant wrote:

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@mstyrion 1 wrote:

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@terrier3 wrote:

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@RubyinNE wrote:

Of course he was mentally ill, but his target was the Planned Parenthood clinic.

I won't get into politics, but I will say there was a lot of misinformation and hateful rhetoric regarding the mission of PP. People who are unbalanced react in horrific ways. My thoughts go out to the police officer's family and friends, and the two other victims who were killed in cold blood.

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I'm waiting for the comments and reactions from those who spread all that misinformation on a national stage.

They are uncharacteristically quiet now.

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Terrier,

I share your anger and disgust at those who feel it is their holy duty to target PP clinics, harass the patients and kill doctors.  I find them to be as low a criminal as any gang member who commits murder without remorse.

I understand those who disagree with abortion. They are free not to have one. The fact is, though, that it is legal.  No amount of proselytizing or protesting changes that. 

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**********  Sad....but true.  I think we will pay a heavy price for it.  No, let me phrase that a little better.....I think we  are  paying a heavy price for it.

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If you mean the heavy price is the flat-out lawlessness of those who choose to carry out these acts of terrorism against facilites and doctors who perform legal services, then I agree with you.

If you mean the legality of abortion being a heavy price, then again I will remind you.  You are free to not have one and to disapprove.  You are not free to force that belief on others.

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******  I thank you for reminding me that I am not free to force that belief on others just as others are not free to force theirs on me.

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Jubilant,

i don't think anyone cares what you believe or wants to change your beliefs.  The law is the law.

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*********  Many people have fled their countries due to laws that were laws.   Including many of our ancestors. 

[NoelSeven]

Jubilant, That has nothing to do with the subject, but if you want to flee this country because something you disagree with is law, you are free to do so.

[Mominohio]

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Lila Belle wrote:

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@foundinlv wrote:

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@terrier3 wrote:

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@foundinlv wrote:

Shouldn't the producer of the fraudulent videos be punished?  

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The funny thing is that his mentor, James O'Keefe, HAS been convicted of doctoring tapes (and paid a civil fine to the injured parties - many thousands of dollars) and also breaking and entering a federal office.

Just like a certain guy on the public stage now...the lies and the untruths don't matter at all. The supporters just double down and insist that they are right. Any and all lies are accepted for the "cause."

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I don't know who you are referring to but the producer of the fraudulent videos has pubically announced they were fraudulent and stated he never condoned violence.  Damage control.   How could anyone continue to believe in the videos after that? 

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Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes true to those who want it to be true.

We have posters here who say they don't trust facts.

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Don't be confused by posters who don't trust facts, and those that question things. Facts, like the world has been proven to be round, not flat are facts.

"Facts" like someone recanting somethng or admitting they did wrong, doesn't mean the problem isn't real or doesn't exist there or elsewhere else, it could mean someone either lied, exaggerated/distorted the truth, or was persuaded to change their story (maybe fully true, maybe some basis in truth, maybe not) by someone for some reason. What people say, what is reported or believed to be true, isn't always 'fact'.

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I understand what you mean, and I can see how although the videos may be fiction, the actions within may still be happening elsewhere.  I guess my question is, have we any evidence, aside from these videos, that the actions that are being suggested have really happened?  Is it responsible for anyone, goverment officials included, to reference something that is false, especially if there is no other evidence, and especially following Friday's incident?  

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Absolutely government officials shouldn't be referencing something that appears to be found false and use it as fact or truth. They may insert their beliefs or opinions, about those finding,  but walk a slippery slope when referring to them as truth, when it hasn't been proved to be so. 

And for me, the lack of evidence that certain things have or haven't happened doesn't diminish what we do know is happening in those clinics, is being viewed as acceptable by people who say (fill in the blank) lives matter. Either lives matter or they don't. I fail to find a difference in the importance or sanctity of the life of a black protester, a law enforcement officer, or an unborn child.  Does one matter and another doesn't? 

When these types of issues come up on these boards, there are some posters who legitimize one process that takes life (because it is 'legal'), while condemning another. I can't understand any logic behind that.