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[terrier3]

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

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Are you asking about this particular situation? Oh, she already was on welfare. She would not go over a certain amount of hours a week so she could keep her food stamps and she lived in HUD housing. If we are talking about this particular situation I would prefer she use the Medicaid she was given to buy an effective birth control for herself and not use abortion as birth control. I would feel that way even if taxpayers weren't paying for it. 

I also think it is outrageous that someone would ask the question well would you prefer she quit her job and go on welfare? Why are you putting it on me or another tax payer and threatening she would have to quit her job if she doesn't get a tax payer funded abortion? I know in NYS there are SO many programs to get free birth control even if one does not have medicaid or any other type of insurance and if all of that fails and an accident happens there is also emergency contraception and without insurance you can get one for about $20. I know you can get that publicly funded too.

I know I had to wait about a month or so before my Depo shot started working so I had make other arrangements in the mean time. I know it sounds crazy but if I was out of those options, could not get to the store and my partner didn't have anything on him. I waited until I coudl get some!!!

I guess if it came down to it the option of adoption is always there too. 

I would like to see more situations where the education points to this as being the responsibility of the person that needs the abortion but absolutely cannot have one unless it is tax payer funded. That is where the responsibility lies. I didn't have insurance for myself, only my daughter and I had a lot of friends in the same boat financially both single and married and we managed not to get pregnant by either paying for BC by ourselves, using the services of PP for help with the costs of BC or waiting until we were protected and could because we knew we could not take care of more than we were now. 

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Irish -

Not everyone makes good choices. Sounds like your fellow employee made a lot of bad ones.

Which is why you are where you are today - and she's not.

I still would prefer to pay, as a NY State taxpayer, for 3 terminations rather than three live births to an irresponsible mother. A baby shouldn't be some kind of penance for making bad decisions or acting irresponsibly, IMO. Of course I would prefer if she went on long term BC, but it's a free country and people are free to make stupid choices.

Anyone who kept down her hours to get food stamps (minimal for people who work at all) and live in a subsidized project isn't very smart. That reminds me of the people who won't make more than a certain amount of money because they don't want to move into a higher tax bracket. Many people who have told me this (commissioned salespeople) don't realize that the higher percentage is only paid on the higher income - not their entire salary.

I would rather be like us - smart women who have worked hard and deserve the good things we have created in our lives. I feel badly about the others, but it's their choice!

[terrier3]

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@JustJazzmom wrote:

Part of the problem is also that we do not have child care for those who do opt to keep their babies in this country. We do not assist people once a child is born either the way countries in Europe help their people. Abortion rates are way down in European countries maybe because there are programs set up for women to return to work and enroll their child(ren) in a child care program.

I do not like when certain groups are saying no to abortions but do not want to pay for any assistance to aid the parent to re-enter the workforce if the child is born with either work programs or child care.

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I SMH at people who revere life in the womb, but deny mothers assistance once the child is here! The same woman they consider a Madonna for giving birth becomes a

H-O when the child needs help. Denying childcare, which allows women to go back to school or hold a job - is extremely shortsighted too. 

[Irshgrl31201]

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@JustJazzmom wrote:

Part of the problem is also that we do not have child care for those who do opt to keep their babies in this country. We do not assist people once a child is born either the way countries in Europe help their people. Abortion rates are way down in European countries maybe because there are programs set up for women to return to work and enroll their child(ren) in a child care program.

I do not like when certain groups are saying no to abortions but do not want to pay for any assistance to aid the parent to re-enter the workforce if the child is born with either work programs or child care.

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We do offer help to low income families with child care. It is offered through many different places but tax payer and privately funded. The CCAP Child Care Assistance Program is one of them. Then there is the Child Care Development fund that also offers assistance.If you can't find info for your individual state you can call 211 from your phone for free and they will direct you to help with childcare along with lots of other social programs. There are also Flexible Spending Accounts. If you are in the military they also offer subsidies on child care. Certain companies also offer subsidies and benefits for child care and to find out about it you need to contact your human resources office. Even if the particular company does not offer benefits or subsidies much of the time, they can give a person info on where to go.  Also individual day cares that are state licensed also provide assistance with child care and they have a list of private and public funding alternatives when the person calls. Then there is the childcare tax credit (form 2441) and Earned Income Credit that provide money for low income families. Most colleges have childcare assistance programs that offer subsidies for parents going to school there and also have low cost childcare right there on the grounds of the school. I know much of this info myself because I have apt buildings that I lease out and we carry all of that info in our offices for our renters. 

I wouldn't be opposed to our govt offering help for child care on a national level either but we have almost half of Americans who pay no income tax at all so that would definitely have to change for that to happen. 

[nomless]

There are many assistance programs.  Including child care. 

[occasionalrain]

I'm concerned about overpopulation, our environment, the growing problem of insufficient water. I find those wishing to force women to carry and deliver unwanted children deplorable.  

[Irshgrl31201]

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@terrier3 wrote:

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

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Are you asking about this particular situation? Oh, she already was on welfare. She would not go over a certain amount of hours a week so she could keep her food stamps and she lived in HUD housing. If we are talking about this particular situation I would prefer she use the Medicaid she was given to buy an effective birth control for herself and not use abortion as birth control. I would feel that way even if taxpayers weren't paying for it. 

I also think it is outrageous that someone would ask the question well would you prefer she quit her job and go on welfare? Why are you putting it on me or another tax payer and threatening she would have to quit her job if she doesn't get a tax payer funded abortion? I know in NYS there are SO many programs to get free birth control even if one does not have medicaid or any other type of insurance and if all of that fails and an accident happens there is also emergency contraception and without insurance you can get one for about $20. I know you can get that publicly funded too.

I know I had to wait about a month or so before my Depo shot started working so I had make other arrangements in the mean time. I know it sounds crazy but if I was out of those options, could not get to the store and my partner didn't have anything on him. I waited until I coudl get some!!!

I guess if it came down to it the option of adoption is always there too. 

I would like to see more situations where the education points to this as being the responsibility of the person that needs the abortion but absolutely cannot have one unless it is tax payer funded. That is where the responsibility lies. I didn't have insurance for myself, only my daughter and I had a lot of friends in the same boat financially both single and married and we managed not to get pregnant by either paying for BC by ourselves, using the services of PP for help with the costs of BC or waiting until we were protected and could because we knew we could not take care of more than we were now. 

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Irish -

Not everyone makes good choices. Sounds like your fellow employee made a lot of bad ones.

Which is why you are where you are today - and she's not.

I still would prefer to pay, as a NY State taxpayer, for 3 terminations rather than three live births to an irresponsible mother. A baby shouldn't be some kind of penance for making bad decisions or acting irresponsibly, IMO. Of course I would prefer if she went on long term BC, but it's a free country and people are free to make stupid choices.

Anyone who kept down her hours to get food stamps (minimal for people who work at all) and live in a subsidized project isn't very smart. That reminds me of the people who won't make more than a certain amount of money because they don't want to move into a higher tax bracket. Many people who have told me this (commissioned salespeople) don't realize that the higher percentage is only paid on the higher income - not their entire salary.

I would rather be like us - smart women who have worked hard and deserve the good things we have created in our lives. I feel badly about the others, but it's their choice!

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I totally get that  people make bad decisions, I have made some bad ones myself. While I was on BC, I got pregnant when I was 19 because I taking antibiotics at the time and didn't realize that could cause them to weaken. I know the struggle, I have been through it. I also don't  think my coworker represented the majority of women who do have an abortion. And I am also not trying to be purposely argumentative on this subject but we do differ in how we feel about this. There is so much done for low income families/women especially in regard to birth control and family services (and I do believe it should be like that) that I find it unfair to then ask the taxpayer again well she can't afford her abortion it will be your fault if she quits her job,etc... if it isn't paid for. I am for society helping these people and I do honestly believe it is in our best interest but there comes a point where we need to be met in the middle and responsibilty needs to given back to the person requiring this.

[terrier3]

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

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We do offer help to low income families with child care. It is offered through many different places but tax payer and privately funded. The CCAP Child Care Assistance Program is one of them. Then there is the Child Care Development fund that also offers assistance.If you can't find info for your individual state you can call 211 from your phone for free and they will direct you to help with childcare along with lots of other social programs. There are also Flexible Spending Accounts. If you are in the military they also offer subsidies on child care. Certain companies also offer subsidies and benefits for child care and to find out about it you need to contact your human resources office. Even if the particular company does not offer benefits or subsidies much of the time, they can give a person info on where to go.  Also individual day cares that are state licensed also provide assistance with child care and they have a list of private and public funding alternatives when the person calls. Then there is the childcare tax credit (form 2441) and Earned Income Credit that provide money for low income families. Most colleges have childcare assistance programs that offer subsidies for parents going to school there and also have low cost childcare right there on the grounds of the school. I know much of this info myself because I have apt buildings that I lease out and we carry all of that info in our offices for our renters. 

I wouldn't be opposed to our govt offering help for child care on a national level either but we have almost half of Americans who pay no income tax at all so that would definitely have to change for that to happen. 

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In my role as a p/t family counselor, I often have to help mothers who have been abandoned by their husbands and need to find jobs. Even when the husband pays child support, it still doesn't allow the mother to stay home and care for her children.

Many of these programs sound great, but due to the sequester and local gvt. situations, they provide counties with a capped amount and there are more people on the waiting list than are actually getting assistance!

Erie County's former exec decided to shut down the program - because the county had to pay 8% of the cost. He gave the mothers two weeks to find alternative childcare. Fortunately the next time he ran, he lost badly...and the program was reinstated. But there are still long waitlists.

Many states reject these federal/local programs outright too.

[Mominohio]

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@JustJazzmom wrote:

Part of the problem is also that we do not have child care for those who do opt to keep their babies in this country. We do not assist people once a child is born either the way countries in Europe help their people. Abortion rates are way down in European countries maybe because there are programs set up for women to return to work and enroll their child(ren) in a child care program.

I do not like when certain groups are saying no to abortions but do not want to pay for any assistance to aid the parent to re-enter the workforce if the child is born with either work programs or child care.

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Why should others pay for this? Unwanted pregnancy in this nation should be so very minimul with all the easy and inexpensive access to birth control. 

Where are the men's and women's responsibilities to provide for and take care of their children? They need to take responsibility for what they do, not society as a whole. Why should business, or taxpayers have to foot the bill? 

This is why this nation is broke. Too many people think that the government (aka the taxpayer) should be providing for everyone from cradle to grave. Not sustainable, not economically smart, plain not right.

[terrier3]

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@nomless wrote:

There are many assistance programs.  Including child care. 

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Not true.

It sounds rosy, but it isn't.

[shakespears sister]

Witness accounts conflict with 'Planned Parenthood shooting' narrative

 November 29, 20159:05 AM MST

A horrific shooting on Friday may not have originated at a Planned Parenthood abortion facility in Colorado Springs as widely reported if witness accounts are to be considered.

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On Black Friday, Several people were injured and University of Colorado police officer Garrett Swasey, 44, along with two unnamed civilians were killed by a man identified as Robert Lewis Dear, 57, in Colorado Springs, Colorado.

While it was reported that the Public Information Officer for the Colorado Springs Police Department "told reporters that the entire incident started with shooting at the Planned Parenthood facility;" multiple reports conflict with this narrative, including accounts from eye witnesses.

Witnesses at the scene told MSNBC the original gunshots came from near the Planned Parenthood at a Chase Bank facility.

The Gazette reported that one of the injured civilians is an employee of Elite Vision, a business located in a building adjacent to the abortion facility.

John Berman of CNN interviewed Supercuts employee Denise Speller who claimed to see "one of the officers go down" from her business, which is .2 miles from the Planned Parenthood abortion provider in Colorado Springs (click on the video to

watch the exchange).

Excerpt:

DENISE SPELLER, WITNESS: I had just arrived at work. And we were just talking and we just had a guest leave the shop.

And we saw officers fly into the parking lot with their lights on and everything. And then we saw them pass our shop and go over behind the Chase Bank, which is next door. And then there were officers everywhere in the whole perimeter. And then we saw one of the officers that was behind the Chase Bank go -- we heard several gunshots. And then we saw one of the officers go down behind his car.

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BERMAN: Was it clear to you where the shots were coming from?

SPELLER: From what we observed, we assumed it came from behind the Chase Bank drive-through. That's where we thought it came from.

BERMAN: It came from behind the Chase Bank drive-through. We had been told initially that the first call of a shooter came from the Planned Parenthood. How close is the Chase Bank drive-through to the Planned Parenthood?

SPELLER: Maybe less than a quarter-of-a-mile.

BERMAN: So down the street, a significant distance at this point?

SPELLER: Yes. Yes, just a little ways.

Without elaboration, the Colorado Springs Gazette reported at 1:34 p.m.:

Colorado Springs police says there is no connection to Planned Parenthood and shooting victims are getting treatment.

The Denver Post reported that at 11:40 a.m., "the Colorado Springs police scanner began to erupt. 'They are advising someone in the parking lot is shooting,' a dispatcher hollered, according to archives captured on Broadcastify.com. 'Actually we are getting several more calls now.'"

The motive has not yet been released, but that has not stopped numerous media outlets from irresponsibly speculating that the proximity of the shooting to abortion provider Planned Parenthood had something to do with the rampage before the facts are known.