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[sylviahomeatlast]

This tragedy does not define Colorado Springs.. We are not one lunatic who lived in the middle of nowhere, without running water, any other utilities. We care about one another

[Irshgrl31201]

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@NoelSeven wrote:

Hi Irsh, I am slowly making progress

5 percent is still 5 percent.

iIf it's a moral objection, we pay for men with STDs to get treatment, college kids and others seeking emergency treatment for alcohol poisoning, older people dealing with the effects of a lifetime of smoking.  I could go on and on. 

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I am glad you are feeling better. I wanted to ask if you have gotten your flu shot yet, I am sure you have if you spent time in the hospital though. I recently got mine and I am scheduled to get a shingles shot and also I am due for pneumonia shot too. I have been a little worried about getting shingles. I keep hearing how dreadfully painful that is and that is the last thing I want. WIth Lupus, does your doctor advise those too? I have had C Diff 9 times since last November. My GI doctor says it will just continue to get worse and worse. I am scheduled to see a specialist that does transplants of healthy bacteria to hopefully stop the C Diff. It supposedly has a 94% success rate in those who are candidates for it. I have my appt next week to find out if I am one of those. Not many drs do it though so the closest dr that does it is about 2 hrs away. I am hoping he can help me out!! Fingers crossed.

Yes, we do pay for men and women with STDs to get treatment. That should be done for the greater good of those they may infect as well. Treating people who have alcohol or drug poisoning is working to save their life or at the very least to help them physically. We help people who smoke, drink or eat themselves into obesity and likely treat their type 2 diabetes to save their lives or again to make them feel better so they can get back to work or to their lives. I have no problem with any of that and I have no problem with paying for birth control methods for those that cannot afford it. Those are all examples of helping peoples health and prolonging life. I think  asking tax payers to pay for aborting a baby when it isn't medically necessary for the baby, the mother or because of incest or rape is wrong. I am not religious one little bit as you know so that plays no part in it I just feel taxpayer dollars should not be used to end a life and I feel the same about the death penalty. Tax payer dollars (and the DP costs a huge amount) should not be used to pay for that.

[Lion]

I wonder if those who are against human tissue being used for research would stop taking the medicines and/or other medical interventions that have been discovered and created by tissue research.

I seriously doublt they would give up those things that are keeping them or loved ones well, improving their lives, or healing them from diseases, accidents, etc.

IMO, if one is against human tissue medical research, then they shouldn't be using any medical products or therapies derived from it.

[Irshgrl31201]

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@terrier3 wrote:

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

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@NoelSeven wrote:

Abortion is often used because of a serious health risk to women.  I know because I knew several of those women.

When I was pregnant, I was high risk.  My kidneys were in constant danger of failing and I was told I was at high risk of death.

We didn't know then it was lupus.  I thought I was immortal and stayed with the pregnancy, on constant bed rest and hospitalized.

No one has a right to make that decision for a woman or to tell her she isn't that much at risk.

If she needs Medicare, she should have it.

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I should have added that I have no problem with Medicaid paying for abortions for rape, incest or as you said high risk pregnancies or those that could compromise the health/life of the mother. Those are easy to determine and I just do not believe that that taxpayers should fund abortions that do not fall into those categories. If a person who is healthy but falls into category that it just isn't the right time for whatever reason, that should be her responsibility to pay for it. 

There have been studies done one in particular was done by AGI, The Guttmacher Institute, which is a non profit org. which works for the reproductive health of women through birth control including abortion. Those studies determined that reasons for abortion that were regarding health of the mother or baby, rape or incest, accounted for less than 5% of all abortions. The most common reason were in a problem relationship and don't want to bring baby into it, can't afford a baby right now, has all the children they want, too young (would interfere with education, job or with care of other dependents)

Glad that you and your daughter pulled  through ok!!! Hope you are feeling better Noel!??

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Irish - The ONLY federally paid procedures are for those involving rape, incest or the life of the mother - the 5%. It is illegal to reimburse for any other reason. It's the Hyde Amendment and it's been the law for a long time.

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No it isn't. There are 15 states where medicaid is allowed to be used for cases other than rape and incest or health of the mother and NY is one of them. I worked with a girl there who was on medicaid and had 2 children. I was about 29 at the time and she was in her 30s. She had 3 abortions in 2 yrs and openly talked about it. Medicaid paid for each one of them. I often wondered why she wasn't on a long term birth control since she was on Medicaid and they would pay for it. IN NYS though there are so many services and other options, both private charity and tax payer funded charity that will fund free birth control if the person cannot afford it and doesn't qualify for Medicaid.

[terrier3]

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

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No it isn't. There are 15 states where medicaid is allowed to be used for cases other than rape and incest or health of the mother and NY is one of them. I worked with a girl there who was on medicaid and had 2 children. I was about 29 at the time and she was in her 30s. She had 3 abortions in 2 yrs and openly talked about it. Medicaid paid for each one of them. I often wondered why she wasn't on a long term birth control since she was on Medicaid and they would pay for it. IN NYS though there are so many services and other options, both private charity and tax payer funded charity that will fund free birth control if the person cannot afford it and doesn't qualify for Medicaid.

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Medicaid is a joint federal/state program. The Hyde Amendment was passed in the mid 70s and doesn't allow federal funds to be used for abortions - except for rape, incest & the life of mother is at risk.

In NY and 14 other states - the STATE picks up the cost of the procedure - 100%.

States are allowed to set up a LOT of rules and regs re":Medicaid. An example is that some states do not allow able bodied single men (or women with no children) to get Medicaid assistance. Only children and mothers with very young children qualify.

[Irshgrl31201]

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@terrier3 wrote:

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

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No it isn't. There are 15 states where medicaid is allowed to be used for cases other than rape and incest or health of the mother and NY is one of them. I worked with a girl there who was on medicaid and had 2 children. I was about 29 at the time and she was in her 30s. She had 3 abortions in 2 yrs and openly talked about it. Medicaid paid for each one of them. I often wondered why she wasn't on a long term birth control since she was on Medicaid and they would pay for it. IN NYS though there are so many services and other options, both private charity and tax payer funded charity that will fund free birth control if the person cannot afford it and doesn't qualify for Medicaid.

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Medicaid is a joint federal/state program. The Hyde Amendment was passed in the mid 70s and doesn't allow federal funds to be used for abortions - except for rape, incest & the life of mother is at risk.

In NY and 14 other states - the STATE picks up the cost of the procedure - 100%.

States are allowed to set up a LOT of rules and regs re":Medicaid. An example is that some states do not allow able bodied single men (or women with no children) to get Medicaid assistance. Only children and mothers with very young children qualify.

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Yep I am familiar with the Hyde Agreement and I even support Clintons new version that expanded it to allow for rape and incest. The Hyde agreement restricts the use of funds allocated for Dept of Health and Human Services to be used for abortions except in cases mentioned above so then it will fall on states or counties. I am against federal, state, county, city, hamlet. etc... taxpayer funding of elective abortion. 

When my coworker went for those easily avoidable elective abortions, she used her medicaid card to pay for those procedure. She didn't pay a penny. She used taxpayer money to pay for that whether at a federal, state or county level. 

[terrier3]

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

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@terrier3 wrote:

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

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No it isn't. There are 15 states where medicaid is allowed to be used for cases other than rape and incest or health of the mother and NY is one of them. I worked with a girl there who was on medicaid and had 2 children. I was about 29 at the time and she was in her 30s. She had 3 abortions in 2 yrs and openly talked about it. Medicaid paid for each one of them. I often wondered why she wasn't on a long term birth control since she was on Medicaid and they would pay for it. IN NYS though there are so many services and other options, both private charity and tax payer funded charity that will fund free birth control if the person cannot afford it and doesn't qualify for Medicaid.

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Medicaid is a joint federal/state program. The Hyde Amendment was passed in the mid 70s and doesn't allow federal funds to be used for abortions - except for rape, incest & the life of mother is at risk.

In NY and 14 other states - the STATE picks up the cost of the procedure - 100%.

States are allowed to set up a LOT of rules and regs re":Medicaid. An example is that some states do not allow able bodied single men (or women with no children) to get Medicaid assistance. Only children and mothers with very young children qualify.

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Yep I am familiar with the Hyde Agreement and I even support Clintons new version that expanded it to allow for rape and incest. The Hyde agreement restricts the use of funds allocated for Dept of Health and Human Services to be used for abortions except in cases mentioned above so then it will fall on states or counties. I am against federal, state, county, city, hamlet. etc... taxpayer funding of elective abortion. 

When my coworker went for those easily avoidable elective abortions, she used her medicaid card to pay for those procedure. She didn't pay a penny. She used taxpayer money to pay for that whether at a federal, state or county level. 

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Would you prefer that she quit her job and go on welfare? I know I wouldn't.

I think using the procedure as "birth control" is outrageous...I know it happens from when I was a pregnancy counselor at PP. But thankfully that is RARE. Most women realize pretty quickly that BC beats a painful medical procedure any day.

[Lucky Charm]

ugh.  I don't think I could stand to even look at someone who had multiple abortions.  Seriously.

I feel nothing for someone who carelessly goes through life not caring about anyone but themselves.  I don't care what else they do for society.  They are a big zero to me. 

No compassions from me for their own demise.  A big 'See Ya' send off is it.

[JustJazzmom]

Part of the problem is also that we do not have child care for those who do opt to keep their babies in this country. We do not assist people once a child is born either the way countries in Europe help their people. Abortion rates are way down in European countries maybe because there are programs set up for women to return to work and enroll their child(ren) in a child care program.

I do not like when certain groups are saying no to abortions but do not want to pay for any assistance to aid the parent to re-enter the workforce if the child is born with either work programs or child care.

[Irshgrl31201]

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@terrier3 wrote:

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

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@terrier3 wrote:

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

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No it isn't. There are 15 states where medicaid is allowed to be used for cases other than rape and incest or health of the mother and NY is one of them. I worked with a girl there who was on medicaid and had 2 children. I was about 29 at the time and she was in her 30s. She had 3 abortions in 2 yrs and openly talked about it. Medicaid paid for each one of them. I often wondered why she wasn't on a long term birth control since she was on Medicaid and they would pay for it. IN NYS though there are so many services and other options, both private charity and tax payer funded charity that will fund free birth control if the person cannot afford it and doesn't qualify for Medicaid.

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Medicaid is a joint federal/state program. The Hyde Amendment was passed in the mid 70s and doesn't allow federal funds to be used for abortions - except for rape, incest & the life of mother is at risk.

In NY and 14 other states - the STATE picks up the cost of the procedure - 100%.

States are allowed to set up a LOT of rules and regs re":Medicaid. An example is that some states do not allow able bodied single men (or women with no children) to get Medicaid assistance. Only children and mothers with very young children qualify.

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Yep I am familiar with the Hyde Agreement and I even support Clintons new version that expanded it to allow for rape and incest. The Hyde agreement restricts the use of funds allocated for Dept of Health and Human Services to be used for abortions except in cases mentioned above so then it will fall on states or counties. I am against federal, state, county, city, hamlet. etc... taxpayer funding of elective abortion. 

When my coworker went for those easily avoidable elective abortions, she used her medicaid card to pay for those procedure. She didn't pay a penny. She used taxpayer money to pay for that whether at a federal, state or county level. 

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Would you prefer that she quit her job and go on welfare? I know I wouldn't.

I think using the procedure as "birth control" is outrageous...I know it happens from when I was a pregnancy counselor at PP. But thankfully that is RARE. Most women realize pretty quickly that BC beats a painful medical procedure any day.

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Are you asking about this particular situation? Oh, she already was on welfare. She would not go over a certain amount of hours a week so she could keep her food stamps and she lived in HUD housing. If we are talking about this particular situation I would prefer she use the Medicaid she was given to buy an effective birth control for herself and not use abortion as birth control. I would feel that way even if taxpayers weren't paying for it. 

I also think it is outrageous that someone would ask the question well would you prefer she quit her job and go on welfare? Why are you putting it on me or another tax payer and threatening she would have to quit her job if she doesn't get a tax payer funded abortion? I know in NYS there are SO many programs to get free birth control even if one does not have medicaid or any other type of insurance and if all of that fails and an accident happens there is also emergency contraception and without insurance you can get one for about $20. I know you can get that publicly funded too.

I know I had to wait about a month or so before my Depo shot started working so I had make other arrangements in the mean time. I know it sounds crazy but if I was out of those options, could not get to the store and my partner didn't have anything on him. I waited until I coudl get some!!!

I guess if it came down to it the option of adoption is always there too. 

I would like to see more situations where the education points to this as being the responsibility of the person that needs the abortion but absolutely cannot have one unless it is tax payer funded. That is where the responsibility lies. I didn't have insurance for myself, only my daughter and I had a lot of friends in the same boat financially both single and married and we managed not to get pregnant by either paying for BC by ourselves, using the services of PP for help with the costs of BC or waiting until we were protected and could because we knew we could not take care of more than we were now.