Re: Colorado Springs

Irshgrl31201 · ‎03-18-2010

@terrier3 wrote:
annabelle -

The funding they receive at PP is for birth control, physicals, etc. - Medicaid reimbursement for poor women with Medicaid cards.

That is it.

The funding is the Medicaid insurance of the individual who goes to the clinic and gets services covered by Medicaid.

The services the man objected to get NO government funding. It isn't allowed under law.

I am pro choice and will always be. I hate that babies have to be aborted though and I will always hate that. I hate that will all the options women have today that there are any abortions or the amount there still are. I hate that more black babies in NYC were aborted than were born but still I will always be pro choice. I do disagree that Medicaid is allowed to be used for abortions.

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
JFK

hckynutjohn · ‎06-15-2015

@Maudelynn wrote:
We're finding out more about the shooter. Do you think his actions are a combination of mental illness (he was clearly disturbed) and the current rhetoric around his target?

I say yes. What say you?

I haven't seen much about this perp at this point so won't say much. It is my opinion that anyone that kills or injures innocent people are messed up in the head. Why? Brain Specialists have been trying to figure that out for numerous decades now, and in my opinion, without success.

Sure, I've heard a lot of "theories", but definitive answers? Not so much. I can say that I DO FEEL the media plays into this in some cases. To me it can be akin to brainwashing, seeing/hearing over and over again by someone already almost there because of mental issues.

What I've seen and heard, to which you refer, to me is not rhetoric, but fact.

hckynutjohn)

hckynut(john)

NoelSeven · ‎03-09-2010

Abortion is often used because of a serious health risk to women. I know because I knew several of those women.

When I was pregnant, I was high risk. My kidneys were in constant danger of failing and I was told I was at high risk of death.

We didn't know then it was lupus. I thought I was immortal and stayed with the pregnancy, on constant bed rest and hospitalized.

No one has a right to make that decision for a woman or to tell her she isn't that much at risk.

If she needs Medicare, she should have it.

A Thrill Of Hope The Weary World Rejoices

terrier3 · ‎03-10-2010

@hckynutjohn wrote:
@Maudelynn wrote:
We're finding out more about the shooter. Do you think his actions are a combination of mental illness (he was clearly disturbed) and the current rhetoric around his target?

I say yes. What say you?

I haven't seen much about this perp at this point so won't say much. It is my opinion that anyone that kills or injures innocent people are messed up in the head. Why? Brain Specialists have been trying to figure that out for numerous decades now, and in my opinion, without success.

Sure, I've heard a lot of "theories", but definitive answers? Not so much. I can say that I DO FEEL the media plays into this in some cases. To me it can be akin to brainwashing, seeing/hearing over and over again by someone already almost there because of mental issues.

What I've seen and heard, to which you refer, to me is not rhetoric, but fact.

hckynutjohn)

So you think the guys in Paris were "messed up in the head" too?

SydneyH · ‎03-10-2010

@terrier3 wrote:
He ws interviewed by Chris Cuomo on CNN in October and admitted that the "live, kicking fetus" was actually a stillbirth - a miscarriage of a pro-life woman. He said that it didn't matter though.

It is available online - his admission.

Also there were hearings that proved (independent film analysis) that not only were the released tapes highly edited, so too were the so called "unedited" versions. The filmmaker admitted that the "unedited" tapes were edited - but he said what was removed wasn't important and he refuses to release the true unedited version.

The coverage of the hearings, the court injunctions, etc. was pretty widely covered.

I'm aware of that Terrier, I stand by my earlier statement, thank you.

Irshgrl31201 · ‎03-18-2010

@NoelSeven wrote:
Abortion is often used because of a serious health risk to women. I know because I knew several of those women.

When I was pregnant, I was high risk. My kidneys were in constant danger of failing and I was told I was at high risk of death.

We didn't know then it was lupus. I thought I was immortal and stayed with the pregnancy, on constant bed rest and hospitalized.

No one has a right to make that decision for a woman or to tell her she isn't that much at risk.

If she needs Medicare, she should have it.

I should have added that I have no problem with Medicaid paying for abortions for rape, incest or as you said high risk pregnancies or those that could compromise the health/life of the mother. Those are easy to determine and I just do not believe that that taxpayers should fund abortions that do not fall into those categories. If a person who is healthy but falls into category that it just isn't the right time for whatever reason, that should be her responsibility to pay for it.

There have been studies done one in particular was done by AGI, The Guttmacher Institute, which is a non profit org. which works for the reproductive health of women through birth control including abortion. Those studies determined that reasons for abortion that were regarding health of the mother or baby, rape or incest, accounted for less than 5% of all abortions. The most common reason were in a problem relationship and don't want to bring baby into it, can't afford a baby right now, has all the children they want, too young (would interfere with education, job or with care of other dependents)

Glad that you and your daughter pulled through ok!!! Hope you are feeling better Noel!??

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
JFK

terrier3 · ‎03-10-2010

@Irshgrl31201 wrote:
@NoelSeven wrote:
Abortion is often used because of a serious health risk to women. I know because I knew several of those women.

When I was pregnant, I was high risk. My kidneys were in constant danger of failing and I was told I was at high risk of death.

We didn't know then it was lupus. I thought I was immortal and stayed with the pregnancy, on constant bed rest and hospitalized.

No one has a right to make that decision for a woman or to tell her she isn't that much at risk.

If she needs Medicare, she should have it.

I should have added that I have no problem with Medicaid paying for abortions for rape, incest or as you said high risk pregnancies or those that could compromise the health/life of the mother. Those are easy to determine and I just do not believe that that taxpayers should fund abortions that do not fall into those categories. If a person who is healthy but falls into category that it just isn't the right time for whatever reason, that should be her responsibility to pay for it.

There have been studies done one in particular was done by AGI, The Guttmacher Institute, which is a non profit org. which works for the reproductive health of women through birth control including abortion. Those studies determined that reasons for abortion that were regarding health of the mother or baby, rape or incest, accounted for less than 5% of all abortions. The most common reason were in a problem relationship and don't want to bring baby into it, can't afford a baby right now, has all the children they want, too young (would interfere with education, job or with care of other dependents)

Glad that you and your daughter pulled through ok!!! Hope you are feeling better Noel!??

Irish - The ONLY federally paid procedures are for those involving rape, incest or the life of the mother - the 5%. It is illegal to reimburse for any other reason. It's the Hyde Amendment and it's been the law for a long time.

NoelSeven · ‎03-09-2010

Hi Irsh, I am slowly making progress

5 percent is still 5 percent.

iIf it's a moral objection, we pay for men with STDs to get treatment, college kids and others seeking emergency treatment for alcohol poisoning, older people dealing with the effects of a lifetime of smoking. I could go on and on.

A Thrill Of Hope The Weary World Rejoices

Irshgrl31201 · ‎03-18-2010

@terrier3 wrote:
@hckynutjohn wrote:
@Maudelynn wrote:
We're finding out more about the shooter. Do you think his actions are a combination of mental illness (he was clearly disturbed) and the current rhetoric around his target?

I say yes. What say you?

I haven't seen much about this perp at this point so won't say much. It is my opinion that anyone that kills or injures innocent people are messed up in the head. Why? Brain Specialists have been trying to figure that out for numerous decades now, and in my opinion, without success.

Sure, I've heard a lot of "theories", but definitive answers? Not so much. I can say that I DO FEEL the media plays into this in some cases. To me it can be akin to brainwashing, seeing/hearing over and over again by someone already almost there because of mental issues.

What I've seen and heard, to which you refer, to me is not rhetoric, but fact.

hckynutjohn)
So you think the guys in Paris were "messed up in the head" too?

I think it was probably a combination of being a little off mentally and warped ideology. While we can ask why, IMO it doesn't really matter in the sense of punishment, he should spend the rest of his life in jail.

Lots of people may not like PP simply because a very small part of thier business involved abortions and that is their right. I happen to think it is a little warped because they provide much more needed services than that and they do a lot of good. Very very few people who dislike PP though would actually want something like this to happen. They make up the very small percentage.

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
JFK