Re: Charlie rose?

VaBelle35 · ‎03-10-2010

Two years ago, we were clutching our pearls about Brian Williams for telling untrue stories.

That is nothing compared to this.

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Sooner · ‎03-10-2010

@NycVixen wrote:
My DH has a family member who works in media.

This person had to send out about 300 resumes to end up getting a crummy job at one of the networks. Has a Master's degree.

Media jobs and good ones are very scarce. I wouldn't be asking why the women he did this to stayed at the job.

I would ask why did they have to be subjected to this alleged abuse?

When someone like Charlie Rose with his power can make or break your nascent career with just one phone call, email, conversation or letter, it's clear that any woman that felt she had no choice but to cope and try to persist is not to blame here.

Wrong question to ask IMO. Demonstrates how powerful society makes a certain number of people namely men at the expense of so many others.

PEOPLE PUT UP WITH IT. Sorry but as long as people put up with something, it goes on. Doing the right thing is often painful. So are you going to trade a job for this behavior? It's a decision you have to make. AND as long as there are those out there who say oh it's just part of the business it will go on. SO what do you do about that? Apparently people won't even report it.

It's about morality and what you are willing to sacrifice for it. I'm not saying it's right, but it's reality. Right and reality are two different things. In Hollywood, there are a lot of standards that won't fly with some people. Somewhere society as a whole has to decide what it will allow and what it will accept. As a society we accept, enable, or refuse to accept behavior. And to stop something, a lot of people have to make difficult decisions and be willing to say no. . . Apparently Mr. Rose stopped when some of these woman said NO, or by behavior refused to comply. But as long as some will put up with it, you won't stop it. SO what happens then?

I am asking questions here, and I would love comments and discussion. But "it's wrong" is not an answer or a solution. What action should be taken? How do we change attitudes? Who is going to speak up to stop it? Etc. etc. Does "shame" enter the picture? A few years ago someone in an important position got away with it but is still beloved and respected. So will that be the case with many of these guys? Just tossing out the question.

A problem won't go away because "it is wrong." A problem has to be dealt with, and how do we do that? THAT's my point here.

nevergivesup · ‎04-24-2010

Sooner, I would just ask you to consider that these are very complex situations. Not everyone in an office situation would be aware of the problem and most people need their job to survive and want to keep their head down and not get involved. Also, these abusive guys (and gals) tend to be highly manipulative and convincing. This is an issue of power, not s x, and history, both past and current, is filled with horror stories of whistle blowers who have been destroyed. Yes, in the end we must speak up but it takes great courage and the person must be prepared to be crucified by everyone who has an opinion.

Cakers3 · ‎06-17-2015

@Sooner wrote:
@NycVixen wrote:
My DH has a family member who works in media.

This person had to send out about 300 resumes to end up getting a crummy job at one of the networks. Has a Master's degree.

Media jobs and good ones are very scarce. I wouldn't be asking why the women he did this to stayed at the job.

I would ask why did they have to be subjected to this alleged abuse?

When someone like Charlie Rose with his power can make or break your nascent career with just one phone call, email, conversation or letter, it's clear that any woman that felt she had no choice but to cope and try to persist is not to blame here.

Wrong question to ask IMO. Demonstrates how powerful society makes a certain number of people namely men at the expense of so many others.

PEOPLE PUT UP WITH IT. Sorry but as long as people put up with something, it goes on. Doing the right thing is often painful. So are you going to trade a job for this behavior? It's a decision you have to make. AND as long as there are those out there who say oh it's just part of the business it will go on. SO what do you do about that? Apparently people won't even report it.

It's about morality and what you are willing to sacrifice for it. I'm not saying it's right, but it's reality. Right and reality are two different things. In Hollywood, there are a lot of standards that won't fly with some people. Somewhere society as a whole has to decide what it will allow and what it will accept. As a society we accept, enable, or refuse to accept behavior. And to stop something, a lot of people have to make difficult decisions and be willing to say no. . . Apparently Mr. Rose stopped when some of these woman said NO, or by behavior refused to comply. But as long as some will put up with it, you won't stop it. SO what happens then?

I am asking questions here, and I would love comments and discussion. But "it's wrong" is not an answer or a solution. What action should be taken? How do we change attitudes? Who is going to speak up to stop it? Etc. etc. Does "shame" enter the picture? A few years ago someone in an important position got away with it but is still beloved and respected. So will that be the case with many of these guys? Just tossing out the question.

A problem won't go away because "it is wrong." A problem has to be dealt with, and how do we do that? THAT's my point here.

@Sooner You keep asking everyone for solutions, so I will beg the question back to you-what do you suggest.

SInce there is a wide range of harassment situations, from brief touches to outright rape-pick a scenario and explain what you feel the person should do. What those who witnessed said actions should do.

Where to turn, to whom, and what the next step would be if nothing was done about the situation.

It's not an a,b, or c answer. So if you prefer an in-depth discussion, please begin one with the parameters I suggested.

"" Compassion is a verb."-Thich Nhat Hanh

momtochloe · ‎11-03-2013

This is what makes me so sad. Rumors about Charlie Rose surfaced years ago and were highlighted in Radar magazine:

From Maer Roshan Radar magazine founder:

My magazine, Radar, featured #Charlie Rose in our cover story about “Toxic Bachelors” TEN years ago, and refused to run a retraction when David Boies threatened to sue us. Others on our list: Jeremy Piven, Jeffrey Epstein, Colin Farrell, Joe Francis and Kevin Spacey.

https://twitter.com/MaerRoshan/status/932760842533138432

QueenDanceALot · ‎04-18-2013

@Sooner wrote:
@NycVixen wrote:
My DH has a family member who works in media.

This person had to send out about 300 resumes to end up getting a crummy job at one of the networks. Has a Master's degree.

Media jobs and good ones are very scarce. I wouldn't be asking why the women he did this to stayed at the job.

I would ask why did they have to be subjected to this alleged abuse?

When someone like Charlie Rose with his power can make or break your nascent career with just one phone call, email, conversation or letter, it's clear that any woman that felt she had no choice but to cope and try to persist is not to blame here.

Wrong question to ask IMO. Demonstrates how powerful society makes a certain number of people namely men at the expense of so many others.

PEOPLE PUT UP WITH IT. Sorry but as long as people put up with something, it goes on. Doing the right thing is often painful. So are you going to trade a job for this behavior? It's a decision you have to make. AND as long as there are those out there who say oh it's just part of the business it will go on. SO what do you do about that? Apparently people won't even report it.

It's about morality and what you are willing to sacrifice for it. I'm not saying it's right, but it's reality. Right and reality are two different things. In Hollywood, there are a lot of standards that won't fly with some people. Somewhere society as a whole has to decide what it will allow and what it will accept. As a society we accept, enable, or refuse to accept behavior. And to stop something, a lot of people have to make difficult decisions and be willing to say no. . . Apparently Mr. Rose stopped when some of these woman said NO, or by behavior refused to comply. But as long as some will put up with it, you won't stop it. SO what happens then?

I am asking questions here, and I would love comments and discussion. But "it's wrong" is not an answer or a solution. What action should be taken? How do we change attitudes? Who is going to speak up to stop it? Etc. etc. Does "shame" enter the picture? A few years ago someone in an important position got away with it but is still beloved and respected. So will that be the case with many of these guys? Just tossing out the question.

A problem won't go away because "it is wrong." A problem has to be dealt with, and how do we do that? THAT's my point here.

Women ARE speaking up and they are STILL being disbelieved.

Some people are still demanding "proof". How do you prove some guy had his hands all over you like an octopus when no one else was around?

Doesn't matter if it happened 40 years ago or an hour ago. Women are still being called liars.

IMW · ‎06-15-2014

My dil summed it up everyone touched everybody- sure

seems like it.

Expected better of Charlie Rose.

hckynut · ‎03-10-2010

@goldensrbest

Don't know him, but I suspect he is an alleged perp! Only said this because of the present media coverage.

hckynut

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SahmIam · ‎04-16-2010

Serious question: WHY is everyone surprised that this person could be guilty of such actions?

One thing I learned a LONG time ago working in the system... NO ONE is above being an abuser or being abused. Famous, not famous; rich or poor; young or old; any religion and either sex....I've seen it all. Nothing surprises me, sadly.

esmerelda · ‎03-10-2010

@lovescats wrote:
@esmerelda wrote:
One of the women who reportedly "cried throughout the encounter" is the most interesting to me.

She was in her mid-30's at the time. She wanted a job. She was at his house and ended up in his bed somehow...she isnt sure. And then called the next day to see if she'd gotten the job.

She didn't.

What do you think? If she had, would we be hearing her story today?
yes why wouldn't we hear it?

@lovescatsShame maybe? Did you READ what I posted? He all but raped her and she called after that, the next day, to ask if she'd gotten the job she wanted...working for the guy who all but raped her.

If he did hire her after that night, and she was still working for him today, I don't see why she would come forward with details about what he did.

Job or no job, I'm surprised she's talking about it anyway. What he did, she cried throughout it, and the morning after, "Hey, Charlie...did I get the job?"

Please.

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