Re: Charlie rose?

nevergivesup · ‎04-24-2010

This is only the beginning. Se ual harrassment is an issue whose time has finally come and the truth will out. I remember being a young RN at a Catholic hospital and being persued aggressively on more than one occasion by more than one doctor. It was common knowledge and we were told there was nothing we could do but try to avoid being alone around them which wasn’t always easy. It was scary and humiliating as these guys got a kick out of our discomfort. Of course, they were family men, pillars of the community etc etc.

One of these doctors was a revered Irish Catholic with seven children and a wife who was his office nurse. They used to give seminars on the rhythm method of birth control because they didn’t believe in contraception! Everyone thought they were saints. The stories I could tell. Another orthopedic surgeon, a big iguy who used his size to intimidate young nurses he was pursuing, was revered by my husband’s aunt and uncle who told me what a beautiful family man he was. I just about bit a hole in my tongue but I stayed silent. Those times are over and I, for one, am glad.

Cakers3 · ‎06-17-2015

@Sooner wrote:
Excuse me here but it seems everyone that worked around the old creep knew what was going on and DID NOTHING about it. There is a LOT of blame here to pass around.

He pranced around some woman nude and she kept working for him? REALLY?

Sorry, but you are talking about the moral code at a whole work place here, not just the behavior of one man. If you see a child abused and don't do anything about it, you are guilty.

I think we need to examine the behavior and standards of an awful lot of people. A LOT of people knew this stuff was going in many instances and accepted it as a fact.

Also, we are convicting people from accusations. You can accuse a lot of people of a lot of things and ruin their lives.

Not taking up for the abusers here, but I am saying there is a far larger problem in this country than these named men. The problem is that WE as a group have allowed them to do it, and often individuals have benefitted from the behavior, and they should be called out too.

So what are the standards? Who is responsible for behvaior between individuals and in the workplace? I think that is the REAL conversation here, and we aren't talking about that so much or at least I haven't seen it. But I don't watch that much tv so maybe it is me.

The crime is that we have allowed it.

@Sooner You have made some good points about others doing nothing about the abuser.

However, the blame rests squarely on the person who performed the act, not the victim.

I don't know how old you are, and it doesn't matter. However I remember remarks made by a few crude male students in high school and there really wasn't anybody to turn to back then. The comments made us uncomfortable but girls back then didn't speak up. The reasons do not matter-we just didn't.

Now college was different-pouring a beer on the head of a sexist pig was perfectly acceptable but we still didn't report the behavior.

We are looking at accusations when harassment laws were non-existent. Who would ever report a rape, let alone a rape by a co-worker? Or any type of sexual assault.

Some men AND women do not view this type of behavior as any big of a deal.

And there ARE women who will sexually banter back and forth with male co-workers.

So who will step up for the victims when the victims have no recourse? Even today it can turn into a horror show for the accuser.

I feel so badly for any person who had to deal with any of this; and while accusations can be thrown out there without proof, it still merits a serious look at work place sexual harassment as well as sexual harassament in other places such as schools.

"" Compassion is a verb."-Thich Nhat Hanh

Sooner · ‎03-10-2010

@Noel7 wrote:
I would not say we have allowed it. I would say the only people responsible are those who assaulted others.

The only other people I would blame are the women who never believe other women and insult them, call them names and blame them.

No, if people allow these things to go on at work they are ALL to blame. Yes, it takes courage, but an office full of people are a powerful force if they decide something is to not be allowed! If you let people to get away with stuff, they will just keep doing it. It is a form of aiding and abbetting. That's why we have laws and standards. It's about enforcing them. Apparently nobody stepped up in this situation.

esmerelda · ‎03-10-2010

One of the women who reportedly "cried throughout the encounter" is the most interesting to me.

She was in her mid-30's at the time. She wanted a job. She was at his house and ended up in his bed somehow...she isnt sure. And then called the next day to see if she'd gotten the job.

She didn't.

What do you think? If she had, would we be hearing her story today?

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Keepin' it real.

Cakers3 · ‎06-17-2015

Charlie Rose is not above being an abuser. I think we look at particular people and think "he looks like the part but the other man doesn't".

You just never know who is capable of such behavior.

"" Compassion is a verb."-Thich Nhat Hanh

Noel7 · ‎03-09-2010

@Sooner wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
I would not say we have allowed it. I would say the only people responsible are those who assaulted others.

The only other people I would blame are the women who never believe other women and insult them, call them names and blame them.
No, if people allow these things to go on at work they are ALL to blame. Yes, it takes courage, but an office full of people are a powerful force if they decide something is to not be allowed! If you let people to get away with stuff, they will just keep doing it. It is a form of aiding and abbetting. That's why we have laws and standards. It's about enforcing them. Apparently nobody stepped up in this situation.

@Sooner We are not talking only about workplace assault. I’d say, usually there are no witnesses.

NycVixen · ‎10-15-2010

My DH has a family member who works in media.

This person had to send out about 300 resumes to end up getting a crummy job at one of the networks. Has a Master's degree.

Media jobs and good ones are very scarce. I wouldn't be asking why the women he did this to stayed at the job.

I would ask why did they have to be subjected to this alleged abuse?

When someone like Charlie Rose with his power can make or break your nascent career with just one phone call, email, conversation or letter, it's clear that any woman that felt she had no choice but to cope and try to persist is not to blame here.

Wrong question to ask IMO. Demonstrates how powerful society makes a certain number of people namely men at the expense of so many others.

~Live with Intention~

Gsmom · ‎03-11-2010

This is men behaving badly personified and yes- it sure is an epidemic!

In many cases, this disrespectful, disgraceful and disgusting behavior has occurred where he is in a position of power and The victim and others who know about it were intimidated into accepting it . I pray that going forward , these sleazy men will control their urges in fear of being exposed for who they are .

Bravo to all the victims who have endured enough and finally feel vindicated in telling their truth.

And as a mother of a teenage son, I will continue to do my job to instill proper values, behavior and respectfulness for all .

spot555 · ‎03-09-2010

This is just the beginning.

BIG FISH will come crashing down (I can't wait). Those fish know it, too.

lovescats · ‎03-10-2010

@esmerelda wrote:
One of the women who reportedly "cried throughout the encounter" is the most interesting to me.

She was in her mid-30's at the time. She wanted a job. She was at his house and ended up in his bed somehow...she isnt sure. And then called the next day to see if she'd gotten the job.

She didn't.

What do you think? If she had, would we be hearing her story today?

yes why wouldn't we hear it?