Re: COVID stats fishy

Lali1 · ‎08-21-2014

@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@caroln242 wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
@GoneButNotForgotten wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@Jaspersmom wrote:
Just got word a colleague passed this morning. She was in her fifties and had bad asthma. Had been on a ventilator for several weeks. I live in a highly populated area and yes, I know dozens and dozens of people who tested positive and sadly, several who died including my SIL back in April. My concern always is how those who haven't had much exposure or experience with the virus tend to downplay it. I'm happy for those who live in areas where stats stay low, but that's not an indication that the stats that are reported are inflated. Just do the smart thing and keep everyone - yourself and others - SAFE.
It seems that for some people it's not real unless it happens to them or someone they know.

It's called "magical thinking"
Go ahead and make us all out to be stupid for asking questions. Honestly I'd rather be someone who asks questions than someone who just does as their told with no investigation. And I did not read that we believe there is no COVID or no death from it. What I read was that people question the numbers and how much fear we should have.
When people don't want you questioning things....they have something to hide.
Well, I was hoping this subject wouldn't turn unpleasant! I just wanted to know if others besides myself found the statistics reported to be in conflict with each other. Believe me, even though I haven't been personally impacted by the virus, I'm well
aware of other peoples struggles and grief concerning COVID. I'm sorry for the turn this topic has taken but I guess as a general rule, this topic touches a lot of nerves.
To simply answer your question there are many who have questions about the numbers. However anyone who even casts doubt on what thev"expert" say, sets themselves up to ridicule. The only thing I will say is follow the money....then you will know if the numbers are good.

They're baiting and ridiculing at the same time. They know we're not denying the virus. Typical bully tactics. They want us to shut up and follow along like good little lemmings.

sydsgma1 · ‎03-09-2010

I have a strong background in statistics and I would negate what is being reported around the country as being legitimate. Ststistically the reports make sense.

Continued masking, social distancing and vaccination are going to make a big difference,

pitdakota · ‎03-16-2010

@Skezeldog wrote:
And i do not believe that we have had NO FLU this year, please, they have monkeyed with the numbers from day one

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"They" have no vested interest in monkeying around with the data & statistics. Scientists want to know truth on the ground as much as they can and have to look at data for that. Not to mention, the same scientists that developed vaccines that will help get us out of this pandemic have to rely on solid data. They have no interest in false information.

At any rate, that would be one huge conspiracy, since all countries have reported a very low flu like activity in their areas for their flu seasons.

There can be many reasons that reported cases of flu are not prevalent right now. But purposefully distorting the data to make the numbers lower to squelsh true reported cases of influenza would not be one of them.

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CrazyDaisy · ‎03-20-2010

@Porcelain wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@Porcelain wrote:
You guys are asking questions. Fine and good. Who are you directing your questions to? Other posters who are just as much laymen without medical expertise as yourselves? You want the "so called experts" to explain things to you? But you don't believe the experts when they do explain things? I'm not sure what you want to learn and who exactly you would accept answers from.

So...do you actually want answers? It's easy to direct you to expert answers. But somehow I think that wouldn't be the end of it. Or do you just want to sow doubt? It's either one or the other, can't be both.
Asking questions are also used to get people to THINK. Something that is missing in many people today. They all just wait to be told what to do by someone else.
Does that include yourself? Or are you one of the elite who thinks for yourself, and the rest of us are just sheep waiting to be told what to do? That would be a bit of an insult towards those who simply disagree with you.

Have you considered that those who disagree with you might be just as informed and capable of THINKing independently as you are? Sometimes the mainstream, traditional, conservative view is actually based on verifiable truth...An idea being new, radical, and widely rejected does not give it more of a basis in truth than an older more established view.

If you come to a different conclusion than me, that's ok. You can defend how you got there and possibly make a point i didn't consider. Of course you need to be open to the opposite. When you totally dismiss other alternatives, that is not thinking and coming to a conclusion....that is accepting someone else's conclusion and ignoring others.

Someday, when scientists discover the center of the Universe....some people will be disappointed it is not them.

liliblu · ‎09-06-2011

@Lali1 wrote:
@GoneButNotForgotten wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@Jaspersmom wrote:
Just got word a colleague passed this morning. She was in her fifties and had bad asthma. Had been on a ventilator for several weeks. I live in a highly populated area and yes, I know dozens and dozens of people who tested positive and sadly, several who died including my SIL back in April. My concern always is how those who haven't had much exposure or experience with the virus tend to downplay it. I'm happy for those who live in areas where stats stay low, but that's not an indication that the stats that are reported are inflated. Just do the smart thing and keep everyone - yourself and others - SAFE.
It seems that for some people it's not real unless it happens to them or someone they know.

It's called "magical thinking"
Go ahead and make us all out to be stupid for asking questions. Honestly I'd rather be someone who asks questions than someone who just does as their told with no investigation. And I did not read that we believe there is no COVID or no death from it. What I read was that people question the numbers and how much fear we should have.

The questions always seem to cast doubt on how serious the pandemic is. Every country in the world has been effected by the pandemic. But some think there is a conspiracy to up the number of cases.

liliblu · ‎09-06-2011

@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
@GoneButNotForgotten wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@Jaspersmom wrote:
Just got word a colleague passed this morning. She was in her fifties and had bad asthma. Had been on a ventilator for several weeks. I live in a highly populated area and yes, I know dozens and dozens of people who tested positive and sadly, several who died including my SIL back in April. My concern always is how those who haven't had much exposure or experience with the virus tend to downplay it. I'm happy for those who live in areas where stats stay low, but that's not an indication that the stats that are reported are inflated. Just do the smart thing and keep everyone - yourself and others - SAFE.
It seems that for some people it's not real unless it happens to them or someone they know.

It's called "magical thinking"
Go ahead and make us all out to be stupid for asking questions. Honestly I'd rather be someone who asks questions than someone who just does as their told with no investigation. And I did not read that we believe there is no COVID or no death from it. What I read was that people question the numbers and how much fear we should have.
When people don't want you questioning things....they have something to hide.

What exactly do you think people are hiding? I could post the names of those I personally know that have died from covid. But then you would question what else was wrong with them. Was it really covid or something else? Some want to question constantly because they don't want to believe.

pitdakota · ‎03-16-2010

@ValuSkr wrote:
The local newspaper has a daily graph that's meant to illustrate the COVID problem in surrounding counties. At best, it's not very good and at worst it's confusing; too much information packed into it. Nice try by someone in their graphics department but they should go back to the drawing board.

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@ValuSkr, I think that happens frequently and it does cause confusion out there when so many don't really know the terms, the methods of collecting data,& reporting data. Which is certainly ok and to be expected. I guess it happens will all kinds of things when what is being examined is a complex, multidimensional subject.

Then when people start to question, they want a relatively quick and easy answer which is almost impossible to do. It is like the question "tell me how DNA specifically works to identify a person and how can I know the results aren't wrong".

I remember when we were in the early phases of the pandemic here a poster was posting stats about the early escalation of cases in New York city and saying they were on the way down. Obviously, that person didn't know that in public health we don't rely on day to day numbers because that can be deceiving. We rely on rolling 7 day averages to try and estimate what is happening with viral activity. That tells us more about trends over time than just looking at something day to day.

And yes, it does get confusing for sure.

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eadu4 · ‎06-14-2011

@Porcelain I do not believe anyone is saying we are not in a "pandemic" but rather we question the reporting of the statistics. No one can state that all the statistics are accurate and truthful. No one is saying that no one died. No one is saying that people did not get sick. But I am among those that question the standards, compliation, and reporting of this thing. Not sure why people get defensive when someone questions the numbers. We are not questioning your loved one's sickness or tragic passing during this time. I am sorry if you lost someone. What we don't believe is accurate and truthful is how they came to their totals and how they counted positivies, false positives, people who were positive but never had a symptom, those that were in a hospital vs those that were positive and healed at home and then all the deaths.

I think the biggest thing that is getting some people mad is that there has always been those in a "higher risk" group vs those who are in a "lower risk" group through this. The lower risk group tends not to see this as big a threat as the higher risk group and the higher risk group feels they need to defend their position on staying home, more precautions and getting mad at people who do not mask all the time. The lower risk group gets mad about being called "super spreaders" killers, senseless, thoughtless etc. Truthfully everyone has a different risk factor. You have to decide what is the correct way to deal with this for yourself. People at a lower risk have pretty much been fine through this. Working, shopping, eating out etc. Those in a high risk group just need to keep doing what they feel keeps them safe. But bottom line, no one can say that any of the statistics are in fact totally accurate and truthful.

suzyQ3 · ‎03-09-2010

@eadu4 wrote:
@GoneButNotForgotten Can you prove they weren't? It works both ways and that proves that things are sketchy. No one can prove one way or the other. Yeah the flu counts are almost none existent according to the "numbers" How did that even happen? Because even with masks, distancing, and sanitizer millions got Covid, why not the flu? So how did flu just disappear? There was no national standard for analyzing/sorting the data and keeping the results from any corruption. So since towns, counties, cities, states pretty much had a chance to interpret what they called what that leaves a wide space for how things were counted especially in the beginning months. We will never know how hospitals, doctor's offices, clinics, testing centers, even mortuaries, etc compiled and sent in their data. There is no one out there that can completely certify all the data is accurate. I am not denying anyone died. I am in no way denying anyone got sick. I do question how all these statistics that people want to use to substantiate their position are complied. And I question the accuracy of all the test results. I find very few if any "gold standards" of facts anymore. I take everything with a grain of salt.

@eadu4, I see this asked often. Putting aside the subject matter, it is a logic tenet that the person who is denying a statement has the duty to prove that it is false.

~Who in the world am I? Ah, that's the great puzzle~ Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

CrazyDaisy · ‎03-20-2010

@liliblu wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
@GoneButNotForgotten wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@Jaspersmom wrote:
Just got word a colleague passed this morning. She was in her fifties and had bad asthma. Had been on a ventilator for several weeks. I live in a highly populated area and yes, I know dozens and dozens of people who tested positive and sadly, several who died including my SIL back in April. My concern always is how those who haven't had much exposure or experience with the virus tend to downplay it. I'm happy for those who live in areas where stats stay low, but that's not an indication that the stats that are reported are inflated. Just do the smart thing and keep everyone - yourself and others - SAFE.
It seems that for some people it's not real unless it happens to them or someone they know.

It's called "magical thinking"
Go ahead and make us all out to be stupid for asking questions. Honestly I'd rather be someone who asks questions than someone who just does as their told with no investigation. And I did not read that we believe there is no COVID or no death from it. What I read was that people question the numbers and how much fear we should have.
When people don't want you questioning things....they have something to hide.
What exactly do you think people are hiding? I could post the names of those I personally know that have died from covid. But then you would question what else was wrong with them. Was it really covid or something else? Some want to question constantly because they don't want to believe.