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Yes, this is true.    My mom had stage 4 lung cancer.   Imagine my surprise when her death certificate stated heart attack.

 

She was 78 on hospice.

 


@Janey2 wrote:

This is not a new issue. It has been an ethical issue before COVID. If a patient has 2 or more things wrong with him/her and dies what is written on the death certificate? Doctors have been discussing this topic forever.


 

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@shoekitty wrote:

Well there cantbe that many people dying in a car accident, with posative covid results.  Just saying.  


I agree. And who swabs a car accident dead person for Covid? Is every person who dies every day for whatever reason being tested for Covid? Seems far fetched.

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Many seem to need to understand codes for death certificates and why there can be many, but only one primary.

 

The role of medical examiners and their legal responsibility is interesting.

 

Check out how medical care is coded, billed, audited and paid.

 

There are nice summaries of the CARES Act, here's a hint, the money was not distributed like you may think.

 

Tin hats don't cut it.  I spent my life working ing this area.

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I feel the same way about nursing home deaths.  I have been with relatives in nursing homes for more than 20 years now and I can tell you that if they get the flu they often die, a broken leg, or hip, a cold, whatever.

 

That's how they often die--they get a cold or flu and then pneumonia, and they die.  They die because they are old, frail and in a nursing home and about anything will kill them.

 

So is that really a covid death?  No.  It's a death because of the person's medical condition to begin with. Yes, it may be easier to contract covid, that is another issue, but often people die because they on the edge anyway. 

 

I am  just questioning the statics as the OP mentioned. 

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Hoping someone can help me with this question.

 

When people go en masse to get tested for covid19 without a doctor's order and without exhibiting symptoms or perhaps exhibit mild symptoms that could be mistaken for allergies and then is notified that they are positive.  Does that person then go about their daily life if they feel fine?  If so....then how do the covid19 statistics show that person's status, since the health department will count them as a covid19 case.  But what about the category "recovered,"  if that person is able to function without ever requiring the assistance of a doctor or meds and basically tells no one including his coworkers.  That category is not accounted for or I should say there is a whole "new" category not disclosed or shown on any of the covid maps. 

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@KarenQVC wrote:

@AuntG 

Doesn't that strike you as an odd conversation to have when your son is in that condition?

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I don't know how unusual it seemed to them @KarenQVC . After reading later comments I'm wondering if how the hospitals get reimbursed has something to do with it. He has insurance but it's not good coverage. 


 

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Hi @ECBG 

 

I have seen similar reports. My nephew, who is a doctor, knows that to be true. He said he can only speak to the statistic he has personally seen up close.

 

There has to be a purpose why they are putting this on death certificates, especially when they know that is not the main cause of their deaths. I have my own thoughts on that and will keep them to myself on these forums.

 

People need to know this is happening. On how big a scale? Most can only wonder and come up with their own answer.

 

 

hckynut 🏒

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@Janey2 wrote:

This is not a new issue. It has been an ethical issue before COVID. If a patient has 2 or more things wrong with him/her and dies what is written on the death certificate? Doctors have been discussing this topic forever.


 

 

@Janey2   Usually, many of the health issues are listed, which all contributed to death.

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@kivah wrote:

@ECBG wrote:

A wonderful client of ours came into the store today.  She is a nurse at our large hospital. I asked her about what is going on with COVID and she said  the numbers are skewed, which I have read here on the boards.

 

If someone comes in from a car wreck and happens to test positive; later, he dies from the wreck injuries, because he tested positive for COVID, he is counted as a COVID death not injuries from the wreck that took his life!!!!!!  AMAZING!!!


I just had a travel nurse stay with me for 5 months - working at a hospital 5 minutes from my house. She told me they count every person who dies - as dying from COVID - as they get more money from insurance companies. So - if u die from cancer, old age, etc. ur a statistic. Such FRAUD.


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I flat out, do not believe this!  Doctor's sign death certificates.  No reputable Dr. is going to put their license, their life's career, on the line to falsify death certificates. 

I find the suggestion that every death, is reported as Covid, ridiculous! 

Hospitals are subjected to oversite.  If they reported every death, as due to Covid, it would quickly come to attention and be investigated.  

Dr's are subject to oversite; from their medication prescribing practices, to keeping current with charting and maintaining records.  If they were recording an unusually high number of patient deaths, as Covid, again, it would attract attention and investigating.  

Hospitals have panels, that regularly, review in house patient deaths.  Cases come to their attention, that, for instance, could involve medical error, misdiagnosis, questions on cause of death, etc.  Families, for instance, may question their loved ones, course of treatment, or actual cause of death, so the case is reviewed, 

 

I'm an RD, in our State's 2nd largest hospital, bed wise.  So, I am certainly no Covid expert.  I do have many nurse friends, and I've never had one of them mention concerns about Covid reporting.  

I also question how, nurses, unless, perhaps, they were in an administration position, would have access to wide scale, misreporting.  Floor nurses work on the units, direct patient care.  They would have nothing to do with, nor access to, how the hospital is reporting patient deaths.  

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@Janey2 wrote:

This is not a new issue. It has been an ethical issue beforeCOVIDD. If a patient has 2 or more things wrong with him/her and dies what is written on the death certificate? Doctors have been discussing this topic forever.

 

 

 

@Janey2 

 

Sorry, this IS new, as new as this virus. The many doctors I know, as relatives or good friends, have not been discussing this "forever". 

 

I had a personal experience with this when my mother died, and I turned that doctor into the State Medical Board. He falsified her death certificate because he was not even in town when she died.

 

I knew exactly what health issues she had had all of my life, and most of hers. What he signed as cause of death was not even possible. Now that was back in 1969, and no, it there was not a pandemic in that year.

 

Doctors discussing it? I think not.

 

 

hckynut(john)


 

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