Re: Burden of Proof?

suzyQ3 · ‎03-09-2010

@trenet wrote:

@Hippiified wrote:
@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@151949 wrote:
@LoveMyBaby When I was 21 years old I was perfectly capable and able to know when and how to say No, thank you. I'm not interested. Actually, I knew that by the time I was 15 or 16.
Sadly, women sometimes want to claim to be victims when they aren't victims at all. It isn't the man's fault if the woman is too timid or infatuated to stand up for herself and say no. Men don't read minds. You can't say it's OK when your with him and then later come back and yell abuse.
@151949

Well, many of us know how to say "no thanks" .... but that's ONLY effective if the man is a gentleman and will take no for an answer. That's not what's happened in most cases in the news.

What about the predators who don't take no for an answer, and are detemined to have their way with a woman when she's definitely NOT interested?

Clearly, it's not rape or sexual assault if the activity was CONSENSUAL.
@Tinkrbl44
Well said! Thank you.
Sometimes when “NO” isn’t being accepted - more drastic measures might be needed. A swift kick to the patooties or grab and twist in the opposite directions would be satisfying.
It doesn’t always work, especially with the predators who use drugs but, if possible, definitely worth the attempt.

@trenet, are you serious? I can see that if a stranger has grabbed you and you know that you can run faster than he, maybe it might work. Or it might get you killed.

In "normal" work or personal situations, you had better be prepared for possible physical harm or further harassment of a higher level if you were to do as you suggested.

Why not just get away from the person as soon as you can and then report it?

~Who in the world am I? Ah, that's the great puzzle~ Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

momtochloe · ‎11-03-2013

@SusieQ_2 wrote:
@momtochloe wrote:
@SusieQ_2 wrote:
@suzyQ3 wrote:
@SusieQ_2 wrote:
I have a hard time resisting chocolate. It tempts me all day in the stores, in ads, at parties, in vending machines. Chocolate is so decadent, so enjoyable, so satisfying.

If I make the bad decision to eat it all day and gain so much weight I can't fit into my clothes is my fault or can I blame the candy company? After all, they prey on my weakness.

@SusieQ_2, could you please spell out what you're saying?
@suzyQ3

Hello to another Suzy! Sure, what I was replying to was the comment that "many young women would have a had time resisting the President of the United States ."

It was a discussion about whether or not a person would consider Monica Lewinsky a victim. You can probably tell by my comment that I do not.
And I guess I would ask as a courtesy @SusieQ_2 that you would notify me of your objection to my post which you did not. I have a severe problem with men in a position of power preying on young, vulnerable young woman as both WJC and RM have done. Good for you that you think you would have had the fortitude to stand up to these powerful men in your most vulnerable years. I don't believe a word of it and shame on you for casting aspersions on those that were preyed upon and unnecessarily felt guilt and shame for all these years.
@momtochloe, Wow, I came close to apologizing for having not notified you that I disagreed with what you wrote although I didn't realize that was "a thing." I didn't call you out or even use your name, but now, after reading your nasty comment, my reply is that I'm not sorry in the least.

Nor am I sorry for expecting women to take responsibility for their own actions and behavior and shame on you for giving them a free pass on morality. There are many, many women who would never have considered an adulterous relationship regardless of the party involved. So you go ahead and pat them on the back and tell them it's okay. I'm sticking on the side of decency.

Fair enough @SusieQ_2 and I do apologize as I was a bit snippy. I completely agree with you that women need to take responsibility for their actions but I also know that many are easily influenced by male attention/power but please know no one gets a free pass on morality in my eyes. I know that many, many women would never consent to these relationships but sadly there are many that do. Please know I pat no one on the back in terms of whether they are virtuous or not. I find the whole state of where we are as a country and a people hard to take at times.

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

Stunning to see some people think...all it takes is

bumping into someone at the company cafeteria

and automatically a woman can bring down a CEO.

These cases are not random.

They are a pattern.

They DO have evidence.

Why is this so hard to understand?

What one daughter shrugged off:

The guy is guilty.

Another daughter was devastated & quit:

The guy is guilty.

Middle daughter reports them:

The guy is guilty.

See the pattern?

momtochloe · ‎11-03-2013

@Annabellethecat66 bless you my friend, great post!

LoveMyBaby · ‎03-09-2010

@sidsmom wrote:
Stunning to see some people think...all it takes is
bumping into someone at the company cafeteria
and automatically a woman can bring down a CEO.

These cases are not random.
They are a pattern.
They DO have evidence.
Why is this so hard to understand?

What one daughter shrugged off:
The guy is guilty.
Another daughter was devastated & quit:
The guy is guilty.
Middle daughter reports them:
The guy is guilty.

See the pattern?

@sidsmom

Excellent! 👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼👍🏼

by the way, everyone,

my views on this matter having NOTHING to do with politics, political party, etc. Wrong is wrong no matter who, what, where. I hope I'm clear on that.

⚓️

chessylady · ‎05-01-2010

One thing that disturbs me is that the benefit of the doubt on this thread is going to the male perpetrator even if there are numerous accusers telling the same story. Why must women be the gatekeepers and men ( in the past) allowed to try anything they could get away with. The majority of men comport themselves properly and treat others (all others) with respect. Those who do not are being called out as they should be. It is good they are losing their jobs, we don't need them in positions of power. Men who abuse are not innocent, they know exactly what they are doing.

SusieQ_2 · ‎03-27-2012

@momtochloe, apology gratefully accepted and I'm sorry as well. I feel like we both got a little carried away with a subject than brings out a lot of emotion. Whether we agree, or disagree, I respect your opinion. And really, I think there's a lot we agree on.

So, I hope you are willing to call a truce and we can continue posting together with no hard feelings. What do you say...friends?

momtochloe · ‎11-03-2013

@sidsmom wrote:
Stunning to see some people think...all it takes is
bumping into someone at the company cafeteria
and automatically a woman can bring down a CEO.

These cases are not random.
They are a pattern.
They DO have evidence.
Why is this so hard to understand?

What one daughter shrugged off:
The guy is guilty.
Another daughter was devastated & quit:
The guy is guilty.
Middle daughter reports them:
The guy is guilty.

See the pattern?

Oh goodness I'm old @sidsmom, help me understand this?

cherry · ‎03-09-2010

We are also begining to hear of same sex abuse

We must be fair ,but we also must not, turn our backs on the victims, just because the accused is powerful or popular

momtochloe · ‎11-03-2013

@SusieQ_2 wrote:
@momtochloe, apology gratefully accepted and I'm sorry as well. I feel like we both got a little carried away with a subject than brings out a lot of emotion. Whether we agree, or disagree, I respect your opinion. And really, I think there's a lot we agree on.

So, I hope you are willing to call a truce and we can continue posting together with no hard feelings. What do you say...friends?

Oh goodness @SusieQ_2 this is music to my ears as I feel we were ships passing in the night . . . very much looking forward to posting with you as always!