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‎03-02-2017 02:44 AM
@rustee wrote:Many people have selected to decrease the amount of bread they eat.
If this is your choice, what do you eat instead? If you continue to eat bread,
what types of bread products do you eat?
I enjoy eating toast with peanut butter for breakfast. On a semi-regular
basis I replace the bread slice with a flavored rice cake.
Pepperidge Farm Farmhouse Sourdough bread is my fave.
I love bread. We make our own in our bread maker using only whole grains in whatever we choose. Whole wheat with different crushed fresh nuts is one of my favorites.
To me it tastes great when freshly baked with nothing added to it, just the fresh warm bread. I do like to add fresh ground natural peanut butter if I want to add more protein at that time.
For me fresh whole grain bread is something I have no plans on decreasing. I am not one that shuns complex carbs, never was and never will be. The closer they are to their natural state, the better I like them, and my body seems to operate the best when it is consuming them.
hckynut(john)
‎03-02-2017 05:51 AM
John, there is nothing-but nothing-like a slice of rustic homemade bread! I used to mill my own flour and I never bought bread.
There is no canned scent that can match the smell of bread baking!!!
I miss it.
A couple of years ago, I thought the "anti-gluten" movement was a lot of clap trap to say the least. At the time, I was on a prescription medication for constipation.....and for a couple of years, I would get this edema that nobody could explain. I couldn't even get my shoes on!!! And then cellulitis started setting in.
I had already made some major changes in my diet trying to get rid of inflammatory foods since I was diagnosed with auto-immune disease.
I decided to try giving up grain, and within three days, I returned to normal. After a couple of weeks, I went off my medication.
I decided to "re-test" myself and within 24 hours, I was right back to where I started. I never would have believed it-ever.
I am not going to preach against it by any means: if it causes no problems, why give up such a wonderful food?
I live happily: there are great alternatives, but then I read posts like yours and it makes me nostalgic! So, the next time you make it, have a slice for me!
Have a great day,
Poodlepet2
‎03-02-2017 08:06 AM - edited ‎03-02-2017 08:12 AM
@Irshgrl31201 wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:Food with a label? Walk away. It's a processed item. Health is not 'processed'.
Why is the population more obese than ever before?
It's the "AND".
Salt....and.
Fat....and.
Sugar...and.
If one would eat these things in singular form, rarely would there be an issue.
It's not the sugar. I could sit down & eat 3T of pure table sugar & the body will process it for energy. No problems. But we don't eat sugar like that. We add the 'AND'. Sugar AND salt. Sugar AND fat...to make them palatable. All this is the same for salt. 'Salt is bad for HBP'. It's r-e-a-l-l-y not the salt but the 'AND'. Salt AND fat. Meat/egg products? Have to 'AND' salt & fat to make them edible. Cheese? High levels of salt & sugar to the fat to make them edible. Salt-fat-sugar is HIGHLY addictive. It takes a couple weeks to remove them from your diet, but once your palette is 'clean', just a sprinkle of salt/sugar is desired.
Fat is definitely is foundation of bad health. If one has health issues, even plant-based fats should be avoided. Fat clogs up our inside workings. Inflammation, insulin resistance, cholesterol issues....all stems from fat. I wish we could turn ourselves inside out...and really see what fat does to the body. Millions & millions of doctors & nutritionist/dietitians would immediately go out of business when seeing what that meat dish or 'healthy fat' product does to our blood stream. Ooof. Not good.
No, it most certainly is the sugar. 200 yrs ago the average person ate about 2lbs of sugar during a year. In 1970 we averaged 123lbs of sugar a year. We now average 152lbs of sugar a year. Sugar is causing more heart problems than anything else. We should only be getting 10% of our calories from sugar, or 13.3 teaspoons yet we average 42.5 teaspoon of sugar a day. It is in nearly every processed food there is and that is why it is crucial to shop the perimeter of the store. If I want to make rice, I make it from scratch and do not get those prepackaged flavored rice dishes. That goes with everything, I make it myself and skip the processed food. It is killing us.
No, fats are not the evil that you claim and even necessary for proper brain function and many other things including healthy skin, nails and hair. Of course there are good fats vs bad fats and one who eats a healthy diet with little to no processed foods rarely has to worry about eating too much fat in their diet.
'Free' sugar is devoid of vitamins/minerals & has empty calories. And yes, processed food is not good. That's the beauty of a low fat whole foods plant based diet...it's both low in fat AND sugar. It's a Two Birds-One Stone thing.
Every time a heart attack is in the news (recently Bob Harper),
we're reminded of the CNN Sanjay Gupta documentary,
"The Last Heart Attack". Always worth a watch. Good info.
And those who are diseased? Lots & lots of fat.
Let's just say Bob Harper's Instagram is NOT filled with pics of Twizzlers.
As suspected, lots & lots of fat...saturated fat.
'...for brain function'...we need glucose, not fat, for brain function. That's just good low carb marketing saying we need fat. We can live in optimum health with 10-15% dietary fats...without adding overt fats...just naturally occurring within a diet of optimum calories. Yes, even lettuce has fat.
Disease follows a high fat low carb diet;
Health & vitality follows a low fat plant based diet.
Secretly, everyone knows that...but people just want the fatty foods.
I just wish more people would open the mind & embrace health & vitality.
http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/25/becoming-heart-attack-proof/
‎03-02-2017 01:04 PM
Glad to see you found the source of your problem. Sorry you cannot indulge in eating bread any longer. It is strange how life works at times, seems as more of it passes the human body keeps changing.
As you know, fresh non preservative breads, do not keep long, but between my wife and I, it gets eaten in plenty of time before that happens. Don't eat a lot of bread, but when I bake it fresh? Itquickly disappears.
hckynut(john)
‎03-02-2017 02:18 PM
@sidsmom wrote:
@Irshgrl31201 wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:Food with a label? Walk away. It's a processed item. Health is not 'processed'.
Why is the population more obese than ever before?
It's the "AND".
Salt....and.
Fat....and.
Sugar...and.
If one would eat these things in singular form, rarely would there be an issue.
It's not the sugar. I could sit down & eat 3T of pure table sugar & the body will process it for energy. No problems. But we don't eat sugar like that. We add the 'AND'. Sugar AND salt. Sugar AND fat...to make them palatable. All this is the same for salt. 'Salt is bad for HBP'. It's r-e-a-l-l-y not the salt but the 'AND'. Salt AND fat. Meat/egg products? Have to 'AND' salt & fat to make them edible. Cheese? High levels of salt & sugar to the fat to make them edible. Salt-fat-sugar is HIGHLY addictive. It takes a couple weeks to remove them from your diet, but once your palette is 'clean', just a sprinkle of salt/sugar is desired.
Fat is definitely is foundation of bad health. If one has health issues, even plant-based fats should be avoided. Fat clogs up our inside workings. Inflammation, insulin resistance, cholesterol issues....all stems from fat. I wish we could turn ourselves inside out...and really see what fat does to the body. Millions & millions of doctors & nutritionist/dietitians would immediately go out of business when seeing what that meat dish or 'healthy fat' product does to our blood stream. Ooof. Not good.
No, it most certainly is the sugar. 200 yrs ago the average person ate about 2lbs of sugar during a year. In 1970 we averaged 123lbs of sugar a year. We now average 152lbs of sugar a year. Sugar is causing more heart problems than anything else. We should only be getting 10% of our calories from sugar, or 13.3 teaspoons yet we average 42.5 teaspoon of sugar a day. It is in nearly every processed food there is and that is why it is crucial to shop the perimeter of the store. If I want to make rice, I make it from scratch and do not get those prepackaged flavored rice dishes. That goes with everything, I make it myself and skip the processed food. It is killing us.
No, fats are not the evil that you claim and even necessary for proper brain function and many other things including healthy skin, nails and hair. Of course there are good fats vs bad fats and one who eats a healthy diet with little to no processed foods rarely has to worry about eating too much fat in their diet.
'Free' sugar is devoid of vitamins/minerals & has empty calories. And yes, processed food is not good. That's the beauty of a low fat whole foods plant based diet...it's both low in fat AND sugar. It's a Two Birds-One Stone thing.
Every time a heart attack is in the news (recently Bob Harper),
we're reminded of the CNN Sanjay Gupta documentary,
"The Last Heart Attack". Always worth a watch. Good info.
And those who are diseased? Lots & lots of fat.
Let's just say Bob Harper's Instagram is NOT filled with pics of Twizzlers.
As suspected, lots & lots of fat...saturated fat.
'...for brain function'...we need glucose, not fat, for brain function. That's just good low carb marketing saying we need fat. We can live in optimum health with 10-15% dietary fats...without adding overt fats...just naturally occurring within a diet of optimum calories. Yes, even lettuce has fat.
Disease follows a high fat low carb diet;
Health & vitality follows a low fat plant based diet.
Secretly, everyone knows that...but people just want the fatty foods.
I just wish more people would open the mind & embrace health & vitality.
http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/25/becoming-heart-attack-proof/
I am not going to go on and on with you about this. Some of the sites that you have mentioned in the past are on the fringe and not supported by medical research/studies/journals. I do think it is important to have a plant based diet as well and I most definitely eat more fruits and veg than anything else. I am not talking about eating meats with every meal or even everyday. The diet you tout on here is not considered healthy by just about every medical entity and considered way too extreme. You have even said on more than one occasion that olive oil is an evil processed food when it is actually considered very healthy and one of the main factors that makes those who eat a Mediterranean diet enjoy a low rate of heart disease despite a high fat diet.
You are wrong when you say we do not need fat for brain function. It is most certainly needed for brain function.
For years, fat was a four-letter word. We were urged to banish it from our diets whenever possible. We switched to low-fat foods. But the shift didn't make us healthier, probably because we cut back on healthy fats as well as harmful ones.
Your body needs some fat from food. It's a major source of energy. It helps you absorb some vitamins and minerals. Fat is needed to build cell membranes, the vital exterior of each cell, and the sheaths surrounding nerves. It is essential for blood clotting, muscle movement, and inflammation. For long-term health, some fats are better than others. Good fats include monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats. Bad ones include industrial-made trans fats. Saturated fats fall somewhere in the middle.
Polyunsaturated fats. When you pour liquid cooking oil into a pan, there's a good chance you're using polyunsaturated fat. Corn oil, sunflower oil, and safflower oil are common examples. Polyunsaturated fats are essential fats. That means they're required for normal body functions but your body can't make them. So you must get them from food. Polyunsaturated fats are used to build cell membranes and the covering of nerves. They are needed for blood clotting, muscle movement, and inflammation.
A polyunsaturated fat has two or more double bonds in its carbon chain. There are two main types of polyunsaturated fats: omega-3 fatty acids and omega-6 fatty acids. The numbers refer to the distance between the beginning of the carbon chain and the first double bond. Both types offer health benefits.
Eating polyunsaturated fats in place of saturated fats or highly refined carbohydrates reduces harmful LDL cholesterol and improves the cholesterol profile. It also lowers triglycerides.
Good sources of omega-3 fatty acids include fatty fish such as salmon, mackerel, and sardines, flaxseeds, walnuts, canola oil, and unhydrogenated soybean oil.
Omega-3 fatty acids may help prevent and even treat heart disease and stroke. In addition to reducing blood pressure, raising HDL, and lowering triglycerides, polyunsaturated fats may help prevent lethal heart rhythms from arising. Evidence also suggests they may help reduce the need for corticosteroid medications in people with rheumatoid arthritis. Studies linking omega-3s to a wide range of other health improvements, including reducing risk of dementia, are inconclusive, and some of them have major flaws, according to a systematic review of the evidence by the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality.
Omega-6 fatty acids have also been linked to protection against heart disease. Foods rich in linoleic acid and other omega-6 fatty acids include vegetable oils such as safflower, soybean, sunflower, walnut, and corn oils.
I find much of the diet and medical info you link and talk about here to be very dangerous because people who aren't informed about this could actually follow and believe your advice.
http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/the-truth-about-fats-bad-and-good
‎03-02-2017 03:24 PM
The link I posted is CNN.
Dr. Sanjay Gupta did a documentary expressing the dangers of
diet contributing to Heart Disease.
He interviewed the 42nd President of the United States,
who followed this diet & had wonderful success.
It's not the Boogedy Science so many LCHF want to make this out to be.
It's beyond comical 'dangerous' is used. I would think having
heart disease, T2D, arthritis, having your chest cracked open...
'would be 'dangerous'. I'm just recommending eating a lonely potato.
And yes, oils are a processed food.
Stuns me how a smart individual would think otherwise.
The Low Carb World has an amazing marketing campaign.
More & more people are getting on medications &
dropping dead eating in this manner...but the Public doesn't
want to hear it.
One doesn't have to listen to me....but there are, oh, a billion people
around the world eat this way...low fat, plant based,
and they are living long, disease-free lives.
I would would think anyone, who is anyone, would want that.
The Low Carb High Fat way is not working.
Never has.
Never will.
‎03-02-2017 11:07 PM
I like locally baked Italian bread. I do eat whole grain at times too. Well what can I say? Bread and pasta are my downfalls (I am 1/2 Italian). I don't eat chips, pretzels, etc much at all. I cut out ice cream, I do eat Italian ice. But Id rather have a sandwich lol. We eat pasta at least 2 times a week also.
‎03-02-2017 11:09 PM
I eat whole grain bread. I am never giving up bread. I like Daves Killer Bread Good Seed. 2 of the thin slices are only 4 points on Weight Watchers so I have a sandwich every day.
‎03-03-2017 05:21 PM
@sidsmom wrote:The link I posted is CNN.
Dr. Sanjay Gupta did a documentary expressing the dangers of
diet contributing to Heart Disease.
He interviewed the 42nd President of the United States,
who followed this diet & had wonderful success.
It's not the Boogedy Science so many LCHF want to make this out to be.
It's beyond comical 'dangerous' is used. I would think having
heart disease, T2D, arthritis, having your chest cracked open...
'would be 'dangerous'. I'm just recommending eating a lonely potato.
And yes, oils are a processed food.
Stuns me how a smart individual would think otherwise.
The Low Carb World has an amazing marketing campaign.
More & more people are getting on medications &
dropping dead eating in this manner...but the Public doesn't
want to hear it.
One doesn't have to listen to me....but there are, oh, a billion people
around the world eat this way...low fat, plant based,
and they are living long, disease-free lives.
I would would think anyone, who is anyone, would want that.
The Low Carb High Fat way is not working.
Never has.
Never will.
Of course olive oil is processed. What I find odd is that I have seen you put this in categories with ultra processed foods that are extremely unhealthy. That just isn't the case. The main type of fat found in all kinds of olive oil is monounsaturated fatty acids and they are considered a healthy dietary fat. Monounsaturated fatty acids and polyunsaturated fatty acids lower your risk of heart disease by improving related risk factors. For instance, monounsaturated fatty acids have been found to lower total cholesterol and low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol levels.
America has had so many diet plans that aren't healthy, only making Americans fatter and fatter and when it comes right down to it eating a diet that doesn't make any foods off limits or evil is what works. Eating whole foods with fat and carbs and low in processed sugar and shopping the perimeter of the store is what works. You say that low carb and high fat doesn't work but it is the opposite according to studies and data, it is low fat and high carb is what not only made us obese but also not heart healthy @sidsmom. But ANY diet that is extreme and requires that any food be avoided is what is and will continue to be the major problem. Now obviously if someone has health issues that woud require avoidance, I am not talking about that.
I have seen you say time and time again that any fat is unhealthy. That is what I meant when I said some of what you are saying is dangerous and it is dangerous not only because it isn't true but it is also helpful in lowering cholesterol and LDL. Fat is essential for a healthy diet.
I do absolutely agree with you that Americans need to eat more plant based foods and most people in this country don't eat nearly enough and most people eat too much meat. I don't agree that eating ANY meat, fish or fats is wrong because it isn't. If one wants to be a vegetarian, that is absolutely fine and their right but eating meat isn't wrong or dangerous like you claim over and over. One can eat a very healthy diet with plant based foods and also eat fish and meat occasionally. One can also eat a very unhealthy vegetarian diet.
Unless one is extremely overweight and attempting to lose weight quickly for their health, I don't think that eating a low carb diet is healthy either. I have never said that I thought it was. But I also know that in the 90s when the low fat diet really exploded it added to Americas obesity (thanks Susan Powter) in a very substantial way. It was called "The Snackwell Phenomenon". Not only was it adding a ton more sugar to our diets but is was taking away VERY HEALTHY fats/fatty acids that are NEEDED to lower risks for heart attacks. During this campaign for fat free and reduced fat products actual fat consumption did go down but Americans got much fatter during this period. "We now have more than a half century of data as well as increased understanding of how nutrition impacts the body and specifically coronary heart disease," said the study’s co-author James DiNicolantonio, a cardiovascular research scientist at the American Heart Institute, in a press release. "After a thorough analysis of the evidence it seems appropriate to recommend dietary guidelines shift focus away from recommendations to reduce saturated fat and toward recommendations to avoid added sugars.
The research team put its theory to the test and found after just a few weeks of participants consuming a diet high in refined (processed) sugar, those with coronary heart disease began to experience several signs of heart abnormalities, like higher levels of total cholesterol, triglycerides, LDL (bad cholesterol), and lower levels of HDL (good cholesterol), all of which increase their risk of heart disease. Meanwhile, saturated fats increased levels of LDL, but in doing so also increased levels of HDL, making their negative impact on the heart less dangerous compared to sugar. Ultimately, this led researchers to conclude in their study that "sugar consumption, particularly in the form of refined added sugars, are a greater contributor to CHD than saturated fats."
There is also something called the French Paradox. Despite eating a diet higher in saturated fats they have a lower incidence of coronary heart disease.
When they began studies back in the late 1970s, they expected that they would find a relationship between fat intake and breast cancer, because that was almost an accepted relationship. But as the data started coming in over the years, they did not find any higher risk of breast cancer among women who consume more fat in the diet. And the same was true for colon cancer and for heart attacks and risk of type 2 diabetes. In fact, the percentage of calories from fat in a diet has not been related to any important health outcome.
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