Community Chat

[bikerbabe]

If he has ESKD and has refused dialysis, he’s not going to be around very long.

[JJsMom]

I'm not opposed to compassionate release if EVERYONE else gets the same opportunity, and the person is terminal with less than a few months or so to live as determined by doctors.

I wouldn't downplay white collar crimes. Being robbed of your life savings or money you were depending on can cause a lot of stress including depression and suicide. Many families fall apart over money. His own family did. You don't need to physically touch someone to destroy their life.

[RainCityWoman]

There's always dialysis, and they don't have to administer it off grounds. A unit can be set up in the cell or the infirmary. Many people choose to do this in their own homes.

[Pearlee]

No, prison staff does not have the right to decide when prisoners leave.🙄

[novamc1]

I would imagine the final  decision to release a prisoner for health reasons eventually has to be approved by higher-ups in the Federal Bureau of Prisons and other officials in the Department of Justice.

The decision isn't made in a total vacuum, of course, but the people who know the patient are local staff.

<< Compassionate release procedures, which are also known as medical release, medical parole, medical furlough and humanitarian parole, can be mandated by the courts or by internal corrections authorities. Unlike parole, compassionate release is not based on a prisoner's behavior or sentencing, but on medical or humanitarian changes in the prisoner's situation>>

[Cakers3]

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@occasionalrain wrote:

It's money that could have been protected by those who wanted to believe the unbelievable. They could have put their money in protected IRAs and lost nothing but then greed took over. They gambled and lost. Plain and simple.

People buy lottery tickets with money meant for rent, they buy scratch offs and if they win $20 they go back and spend that $20 on more scratch offs. I see them sitting in their cars in the parking lots of convenience stores, scratching them.

Should we feel sorry for them? Should the Gov be punished for tempting them?

Some had no choice, others chose for them when they invested their pensions in what should have warned they away as a scheme too good to be true. Those people should be punished as well as Madoff. But are they? Of course not; they are claiming to be victims as well.

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@occasionalrain   Your points are getting overshadowed by talking about lottery tickets.  I don't know how many people buy lottery tickets instead of payring rent or buying food, so I am not going to assume any comparison to the Madoff scandal.

As I said earlier, the organizations who lost millions had poor financial executives, imo.  Professional investors should have been more wary about boku returns that showed up only on paper.

Those who have invested elsewhere roll the dice and take the gamble.

Yes, I agree.  But they also do not expect the person in control of those investments to cheat them out of everything.

This was the line that was crossed-voluntarily handing over your assests  is obvious; but nobody expects to be robbed.

Again, the billions reported lost are less that the total billions actually stolen. Money laundering, hiding assets from the IRS, drug money-all those slipped by because the losses were never claimed.

I don't believe he should be released; and I also feel sorry that a human life took such turn to end up the way he did. 

$$$ is always the shiny object.

[Caaareful Shopper]

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@novamc1 wrote:

@momtochloe 

As a former Federal employee, I can't help but feel something for the prison employees who have to spend one more day taking care of a sick old man--just like I hate the government resources already used up thanks to him.

No excuse for what Bernie did, but would any of us  like to take care of that man and later have to wrap and carry out his dead body?  Let someone else handle his final days, I say.  

I've met prison wardens and employees in both a state and a federal prison..........they have rotten, dangerous jobs dealing with rotten, dangerous people. Those meetings were some of the biggest eye-openers and emotionally charged moments I've ever experienced

Let's give the prison medical staff a break and send a terminal patient somewhere else--and free up his bed in the infirmary for a younger, less heinous criminal.

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@novamc1  Chronically ill and terminally ill prisoners are not taken care of by prison guards.  There are specialized medical personnel working inside the prisons that do this work.  Like any medical job, this happens to be where they work, instead of a hospital or clinic.  My niece was a nurse inside a prison for years.  She did it so long, and preferred it,  because she was able to get the hours she wanted but could not get in a hospital.  It's all a choice.  

[Tinkrbl44]

@Pearlee 

Who was his request made to?   

I heard that a Texas judge recently gave an early release to a CEO in jail for I forget what.  I guess Madoff's attorney figures might as well try.   I could picture Madoff getting out and being attacked/murdered on the street.   He ruined so many lives; I say let him stay where he is.

[kitcat51]

Where was his compassion for the people he scammed? His victims suffered in a monetary prison that Bernie built for them. Released? No, he should draw his last breath in prison.

[Nataliesgramma]

I saw him interviewed on Tv awhile ago and he didn't look remorseful at all about what he did...