Another traffic situation - Page 4

CrazyDaisy · ‎03-20-2010

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Why do you pull over - to get out of the way. If there is no shoulder, then you get out of way by pulling into a parking lot if available.

I don't understand why this is such a problem.

Seriously, in an emergency, people really think if there is no shoulder - well then it's all the fault of the emergency vehicles and they should just find another route - and thus they have no responsibility to even try to get out of the way - when that is clearly possible.

I don't know where they were going - it could have been any business establishment along that road for all I know - so just what route should they have taken? As noted the side streets are all narrow with parking on both sides.

I just hope when those who are so critical of my expecting people to try to help here, never need an ambulance in a life or death situation - which ends up stuck behind people who refuse to pull off the road to let it by - because the law says they should have to inconvenience themseles that way.
This cannot possibly be the first time or the last that this situation will occur. To expect everyone to think the same as you (contrary to what they may have been taught) is totally unreasonable. You can make all the arguments you want but it is not going to change the situation To make eveyone who sees the situation differently than you to be the evil bad guy is silly. If you want to see things change take up these conditions with the proper authorities.
Not sure what I should "take up with proper authorities" - insisting that emergency vehicles be rerouted down side streets with cars parked on both sides rather than using a major street that provides a way during heavy traffic to pull off so that others can pull over? Or maybe that driving rules should be changed to include every possible scenario and that mandating getting out of the way of emergency vehicles enroute to saving lives - is not specific enough? Again, I sincerely hope that you are never waiting for an ambulance under these conditions - where people who see the situation as you do simply stop and block the street - and apparently applaud themselves for their enlightened approach to the situation. No shoulder, well too bad - the ambulance should take another route.

BTW - when I pulled into the parking lot, the car in the lane next to me tried to pull into my lane, but was blocked by the car behind me immediately going forward and then stopping. I guess you think that was the right thing to do.

Not sure why you want to keep making up stuff.....

Most States require drivers to pull to the right side of the road to allow emergency equipment to pass. When roads do not provide that option for drivers, it becomes a free for all because everyone is trying to figure out what to do, as you have witnessed. Either roads must be able to accomodate the situation or a police officer needs to be dispatched to expidite the process. If that is not happening to your standards then you need to bring it someones attention rather than complaining that not everyone is has enlightened as you.

Someday, when scientists discover the center of the Universe....some people will be disappointed it is not them.

Lipstickdiva · ‎03-10-2010

@Isobel Archer, I don't disagree with you. Unfortunately, some people don't have enough common sense and if the law says they pull to the right, that's all they think they have to do. They don't think about the fact that in some situations, like the one I described, there is no right for them to pull to and they should attempt to get off the road and let the emergency vehicle through.

It's not always an option to just take an alternate route. Or the emergency could be at one of the businesses along the road all the traffic is stopped on. Or what if there is an accident right on that road?

Some people are selfish and don't think about anything but themself while driving. People block entire intersections trying to get through a light during a traffic jam instead of waiting until their light turns green again and they have a clear path to go. That one really makes me nuts because many times no traffic can move as they sit in the middle of an intersection.

And I especially love people who don't know the law when it comes to school buses.

Isobel Archer · ‎04-04-2015

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Why do you pull over - to get out of the way. If there is no shoulder, then you get out of way by pulling into a parking lot if available.

I don't understand why this is such a problem.

Seriously, in an emergency, people really think if there is no shoulder - well then it's all the fault of the emergency vehicles and they should just find another route - and thus they have no responsibility to even try to get out of the way - when that is clearly possible.

I don't know where they were going - it could have been any business establishment along that road for all I know - so just what route should they have taken? As noted the side streets are all narrow with parking on both sides.

I just hope when those who are so critical of my expecting people to try to help here, never need an ambulance in a life or death situation - which ends up stuck behind people who refuse to pull off the road to let it by - because the law says they should have to inconvenience themseles that way.
This cannot possibly be the first time or the last that this situation will occur. To expect everyone to think the same as you (contrary to what they may have been taught) is totally unreasonable. You can make all the arguments you want but it is not going to change the situation To make eveyone who sees the situation differently than you to be the evil bad guy is silly. If you want to see things change take up these conditions with the proper authorities.
Not sure what I should "take up with proper authorities" - insisting that emergency vehicles be rerouted down side streets with cars parked on both sides rather than using a major street that provides a way during heavy traffic to pull off so that others can pull over? Or maybe that driving rules should be changed to include every possible scenario and that mandating getting out of the way of emergency vehicles enroute to saving lives - is not specific enough? Again, I sincerely hope that you are never waiting for an ambulance under these conditions - where people who see the situation as you do simply stop and block the street - and apparently applaud themselves for their enlightened approach to the situation. No shoulder, well too bad - the ambulance should take another route.

BTW - when I pulled into the parking lot, the car in the lane next to me tried to pull into my lane, but was blocked by the car behind me immediately going forward and then stopping. I guess you think that was the right thing to do.
Not sure why you want to keep making up stuff.....

Most States require drivers to pull to the right side of the road to allow emergency equipment to pass. When roads do not provide that option for drivers, it becomes a free for all because everyone is trying to figure out what to do, as you have witnessed. Either roads must be able to accomodate the situation or a police officer needs to be dispatched to expidite the process. If that is not happening to your standards then you need to bring it someones attention rather than complaining that not everyone is has enlightened as you.

Not sure what I'm now supposed to be "making up."

Just a question tho - if you were in the right lane as I was and traffic was stopped and the car next to you were on fire - would you just sit there - or would you pull into a parking lot?

And yes I did make up that scenario - but it could happen. Somehow I bet you'd suddenly be motivated to get out of the way. But then - since the law doesn't "require" you to do that - hey maybe not.

CrazyDaisy · ‎03-20-2010

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Why do you pull over - to get out of the way. If there is no shoulder, then you get out of way by pulling into a parking lot if available.

I don't understand why this is such a problem.

Seriously, in an emergency, people really think if there is no shoulder - well then it's all the fault of the emergency vehicles and they should just find another route - and thus they have no responsibility to even try to get out of the way - when that is clearly possible.

I don't know where they were going - it could have been any business establishment along that road for all I know - so just what route should they have taken? As noted the side streets are all narrow with parking on both sides.

I just hope when those who are so critical of my expecting people to try to help here, never need an ambulance in a life or death situation - which ends up stuck behind people who refuse to pull off the road to let it by - because the law says they should have to inconvenience themseles that way.
This cannot possibly be the first time or the last that this situation will occur. To expect everyone to think the same as you (contrary to what they may have been taught) is totally unreasonable. You can make all the arguments you want but it is not going to change the situation To make eveyone who sees the situation differently than you to be the evil bad guy is silly. If you want to see things change take up these conditions with the proper authorities.
Not sure what I should "take up with proper authorities" - insisting that emergency vehicles be rerouted down side streets with cars parked on both sides rather than using a major street that provides a way during heavy traffic to pull off so that others can pull over? Or maybe that driving rules should be changed to include every possible scenario and that mandating getting out of the way of emergency vehicles enroute to saving lives - is not specific enough? Again, I sincerely hope that you are never waiting for an ambulance under these conditions - where people who see the situation as you do simply stop and block the street - and apparently applaud themselves for their enlightened approach to the situation. No shoulder, well too bad - the ambulance should take another route.

BTW - when I pulled into the parking lot, the car in the lane next to me tried to pull into my lane, but was blocked by the car behind me immediately going forward and then stopping. I guess you think that was the right thing to do.
Not sure why you want to keep making up stuff.....

Most States require drivers to pull to the right side of the road to allow emergency equipment to pass. When roads do not provide that option for drivers, it becomes a free for all because everyone is trying to figure out what to do, as you have witnessed. Either roads must be able to accomodate the situation or a police officer needs to be dispatched to expidite the process. If that is not happening to your standards then you need to bring it someones attention rather than complaining that not everyone is has enlightened as you.
Not sure what I'm now supposed to be "making up."

Just a question tho - if you were in the right lane as I was and traffic was stopped and the car next to you were on fire - would you just sit there - or would you pull into a parking lot?

And yes I did make up that scenario - but it could happen. Somehow I bet you'd suddenly be motivated to get out of the way. But then - since the law doesn't "require" you to do that - hey maybe not.

Insurance companies require you to mitigate damages.

Someday, when scientists discover the center of the Universe....some people will be disappointed it is not them.

151949 · ‎03-09-2010

I live right next to our community hospital. The only access to that hospital is a 2 lane road behind my house.I can't tell you how many times I've seen ambulances have to jump the curb and drive down the grass beside that little road because cars will not get out of their way.

IMO - ambulances and firetrucks should have dashboard videos and when a car obstructs their progress they should search the video and take away the driver's license. Why on earth do people think they have those sirens on emergency vehicles?

Isobel Archer · ‎04-04-2015

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Why do you pull over - to get out of the way. If there is no shoulder, then you get out of way by pulling into a parking lot if available.

I don't understand why this is such a problem.

Seriously, in an emergency, people really think if there is no shoulder - well then it's all the fault of the emergency vehicles and they should just find another route - and thus they have no responsibility to even try to get out of the way - when that is clearly possible.

I don't know where they were going - it could have been any business establishment along that road for all I know - so just what route should they have taken? As noted the side streets are all narrow with parking on both sides.

I just hope when those who are so critical of my expecting people to try to help here, never need an ambulance in a life or death situation - which ends up stuck behind people who refuse to pull off the road to let it by - because the law says they should have to inconvenience themseles that way.
This cannot possibly be the first time or the last that this situation will occur. To expect everyone to think the same as you (contrary to what they may have been taught) is totally unreasonable. You can make all the arguments you want but it is not going to change the situation To make eveyone who sees the situation differently than you to be the evil bad guy is silly. If you want to see things change take up these conditions with the proper authorities.
Not sure what I should "take up with proper authorities" - insisting that emergency vehicles be rerouted down side streets with cars parked on both sides rather than using a major street that provides a way during heavy traffic to pull off so that others can pull over? Or maybe that driving rules should be changed to include every possible scenario and that mandating getting out of the way of emergency vehicles enroute to saving lives - is not specific enough? Again, I sincerely hope that you are never waiting for an ambulance under these conditions - where people who see the situation as you do simply stop and block the street - and apparently applaud themselves for their enlightened approach to the situation. No shoulder, well too bad - the ambulance should take another route.

BTW - when I pulled into the parking lot, the car in the lane next to me tried to pull into my lane, but was blocked by the car behind me immediately going forward and then stopping. I guess you think that was the right thing to do.
Not sure why you want to keep making up stuff.....

Most States require drivers to pull to the right side of the road to allow emergency equipment to pass. When roads do not provide that option for drivers, it becomes a free for all because everyone is trying to figure out what to do, as you have witnessed. Either roads must be able to accomodate the situation or a police officer needs to be dispatched to expidite the process. If that is not happening to your standards then you need to bring it someones attention rather than complaining that not everyone is has enlightened as you.
Not sure what I'm now supposed to be "making up."

Just a question tho - if you were in the right lane as I was and traffic was stopped and the car next to you were on fire - would you just sit there - or would you pull into a parking lot?

And yes I did make up that scenario - but it could happen. Somehow I bet you'd suddenly be motivated to get out of the way. But then - since the law doesn't "require" you to do that - hey maybe not.
Insurance companies require you to mitigate damages.

Making my point - you would get out of the way - when it suits your interest to do so - but not when it would not.

151949 · ‎03-09-2010

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In this case, there was no right shoulder - although as noted, there were plenty of places to get off the road for those in the far right lane.

It was a divided street with a middle berm so the only option for the emergency vehicles was to try another route.

I still say it is inexcusable for those in the right lane not to move off the road. I don't care what their schedule was or that they would be inconvenienced by having to then get back into traffic after the emergency vehicles passed. That's what you do.
The cars should not have to leave the road. That will just cause more confussion. If the emergency equipment does not have room to manuver around the stopped traffic, they should not be taking that route. Should that be the only option, police should have been there to direct the drivers.

SERIOUSLY? You don't think cars HAVE TO get out of the way of emergency vehicles? What if that road is the only access to the hospital or the only road to a fire?

CrazyDaisy · ‎03-20-2010

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Why do you pull over - to get out of the way. If there is no shoulder, then you get out of way by pulling into a parking lot if available.

I don't understand why this is such a problem.

Seriously, in an emergency, people really think if there is no shoulder - well then it's all the fault of the emergency vehicles and they should just find another route - and thus they have no responsibility to even try to get out of the way - when that is clearly possible.

I don't know where they were going - it could have been any business establishment along that road for all I know - so just what route should they have taken? As noted the side streets are all narrow with parking on both sides.

I just hope when those who are so critical of my expecting people to try to help here, never need an ambulance in a life or death situation - which ends up stuck behind people who refuse to pull off the road to let it by - because the law says they should have to inconvenience themseles that way.
This cannot possibly be the first time or the last that this situation will occur. To expect everyone to think the same as you (contrary to what they may have been taught) is totally unreasonable. You can make all the arguments you want but it is not going to change the situation To make eveyone who sees the situation differently than you to be the evil bad guy is silly. If you want to see things change take up these conditions with the proper authorities.
Not sure what I should "take up with proper authorities" - insisting that emergency vehicles be rerouted down side streets with cars parked on both sides rather than using a major street that provides a way during heavy traffic to pull off so that others can pull over? Or maybe that driving rules should be changed to include every possible scenario and that mandating getting out of the way of emergency vehicles enroute to saving lives - is not specific enough? Again, I sincerely hope that you are never waiting for an ambulance under these conditions - where people who see the situation as you do simply stop and block the street - and apparently applaud themselves for their enlightened approach to the situation. No shoulder, well too bad - the ambulance should take another route.

BTW - when I pulled into the parking lot, the car in the lane next to me tried to pull into my lane, but was blocked by the car behind me immediately going forward and then stopping. I guess you think that was the right thing to do.
Not sure why you want to keep making up stuff.....

Most States require drivers to pull to the right side of the road to allow emergency equipment to pass. When roads do not provide that option for drivers, it becomes a free for all because everyone is trying to figure out what to do, as you have witnessed. Either roads must be able to accomodate the situation or a police officer needs to be dispatched to expidite the process. If that is not happening to your standards then you need to bring it someones attention rather than complaining that not everyone is has enlightened as you.
Not sure what I'm now supposed to be "making up."

Just a question tho - if you were in the right lane as I was and traffic was stopped and the car next to you were on fire - would you just sit there - or would you pull into a parking lot?

And yes I did make up that scenario - but it could happen. Somehow I bet you'd suddenly be motivated to get out of the way. But then - since the law doesn't "require" you to do that - hey maybe not.
Insurance companies require you to mitigate damages.
Making my point - you would get out of the way - when it suits your interest to do so - but not when it would not.

Not what was said, but thats ok.

Someday, when scientists discover the center of the Universe....some people will be disappointed it is not them.

Isobel Archer · ‎04-04-2015

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Why do you pull over - to get out of the way. If there is no shoulder, then you get out of way by pulling into a parking lot if available.

I don't understand why this is such a problem.

Seriously, in an emergency, people really think if there is no shoulder - well then it's all the fault of the emergency vehicles and they should just find another route - and thus they have no responsibility to even try to get out of the way - when that is clearly possible.

I don't know where they were going - it could have been any business establishment along that road for all I know - so just what route should they have taken? As noted the side streets are all narrow with parking on both sides.

I just hope when those who are so critical of my expecting people to try to help here, never need an ambulance in a life or death situation - which ends up stuck behind people who refuse to pull off the road to let it by - because the law says they should have to inconvenience themseles that way.
This cannot possibly be the first time or the last that this situation will occur. To expect everyone to think the same as you (contrary to what they may have been taught) is totally unreasonable. You can make all the arguments you want but it is not going to change the situation To make eveyone who sees the situation differently than you to be the evil bad guy is silly. If you want to see things change take up these conditions with the proper authorities.
Not sure what I should "take up with proper authorities" - insisting that emergency vehicles be rerouted down side streets with cars parked on both sides rather than using a major street that provides a way during heavy traffic to pull off so that others can pull over? Or maybe that driving rules should be changed to include every possible scenario and that mandating getting out of the way of emergency vehicles enroute to saving lives - is not specific enough? Again, I sincerely hope that you are never waiting for an ambulance under these conditions - where people who see the situation as you do simply stop and block the street - and apparently applaud themselves for their enlightened approach to the situation. No shoulder, well too bad - the ambulance should take another route.

BTW - when I pulled into the parking lot, the car in the lane next to me tried to pull into my lane, but was blocked by the car behind me immediately going forward and then stopping. I guess you think that was the right thing to do.
Not sure why you want to keep making up stuff.....

Most States require drivers to pull to the right side of the road to allow emergency equipment to pass. When roads do not provide that option for drivers, it becomes a free for all because everyone is trying to figure out what to do, as you have witnessed. Either roads must be able to accomodate the situation or a police officer needs to be dispatched to expidite the process. If that is not happening to your standards then you need to bring it someones attention rather than complaining that not everyone is has enlightened as you.
Not sure what I'm now supposed to be "making up."

Just a question tho - if you were in the right lane as I was and traffic was stopped and the car next to you were on fire - would you just sit there - or would you pull into a parking lot?

And yes I did make up that scenario - but it could happen. Somehow I bet you'd suddenly be motivated to get out of the way. But then - since the law doesn't "require" you to do that - hey maybe not.
Insurance companies require you to mitigate damages.
Making my point - you would get out of the way - when it suits your interest to do so - but not when it would not.
Not what was said, but thats ok.

So would you pull off the road into a parking lot or down a side street to make way for an ambulance or not? You've already indicated that you would if you thought YOUR life was in danger.

CrazyDaisy · ‎03-20-2010

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Why do you pull over - to get out of the way. If there is no shoulder, then you get out of way by pulling into a parking lot if available.

I don't understand why this is such a problem.

Seriously, in an emergency, people really think if there is no shoulder - well then it's all the fault of the emergency vehicles and they should just find another route - and thus they have no responsibility to even try to get out of the way - when that is clearly possible.

I don't know where they were going - it could have been any business establishment along that road for all I know - so just what route should they have taken? As noted the side streets are all narrow with parking on both sides.

I just hope when those who are so critical of my expecting people to try to help here, never need an ambulance in a life or death situation - which ends up stuck behind people who refuse to pull off the road to let it by - because the law says they should have to inconvenience themseles that way.
This cannot possibly be the first time or the last that this situation will occur. To expect everyone to think the same as you (contrary to what they may have been taught) is totally unreasonable. You can make all the arguments you want but it is not going to change the situation To make eveyone who sees the situation differently than you to be the evil bad guy is silly. If you want to see things change take up these conditions with the proper authorities.
Not sure what I should "take up with proper authorities" - insisting that emergency vehicles be rerouted down side streets with cars parked on both sides rather than using a major street that provides a way during heavy traffic to pull off so that others can pull over? Or maybe that driving rules should be changed to include every possible scenario and that mandating getting out of the way of emergency vehicles enroute to saving lives - is not specific enough? Again, I sincerely hope that you are never waiting for an ambulance under these conditions - where people who see the situation as you do simply stop and block the street - and apparently applaud themselves for their enlightened approach to the situation. No shoulder, well too bad - the ambulance should take another route.

BTW - when I pulled into the parking lot, the car in the lane next to me tried to pull into my lane, but was blocked by the car behind me immediately going forward and then stopping. I guess you think that was the right thing to do.
Not sure why you want to keep making up stuff.....

Most States require drivers to pull to the right side of the road to allow emergency equipment to pass. When roads do not provide that option for drivers, it becomes a free for all because everyone is trying to figure out what to do, as you have witnessed. Either roads must be able to accomodate the situation or a police officer needs to be dispatched to expidite the process. If that is not happening to your standards then you need to bring it someones attention rather than complaining that not everyone is has enlightened as you.
Not sure what I'm now supposed to be "making up."

Just a question tho - if you were in the right lane as I was and traffic was stopped and the car next to you were on fire - would you just sit there - or would you pull into a parking lot?

And yes I did make up that scenario - but it could happen. Somehow I bet you'd suddenly be motivated to get out of the way. But then - since the law doesn't "require" you to do that - hey maybe not.
Insurance companies require you to mitigate damages.
Making my point - you would get out of the way - when it suits your interest to do so - but not when it would not.
Not what was said, but thats ok.
So would you pull off the road into a parking lot or down a side street to make way for an ambulance or not? You've already indicated that you would if you thought YOUR life was in danger.