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[Qwackertoo]

I lost my post but had looked up and about 10 states require background checks on ALL gun sales at gun shows. About 5 require them on handguns only. Leaving 35 to their own devices and loopholes.

I think the "loophole" should be closed.

From what I read . . . this is Private Sellers Only. Which is, you can't sell more than 4 guns per year . . . and fall into that category. Dealers and those with Federal Firearms Licenses must do the background checks per federal law.

I'd think "most" of those who travel the gun show "circuit" and have tables/booths for selling would fall under the federal laws and buyers would have to pass the background check.

That said . . . I've only been to 2-3 gun shows in my entire life. I didn't really care for the venue or the atmosphere. IF I want to buy a gun, I'll go to a regular store.

I don't know how easily it could be implemented at a "traveling" gun show whether it would be paper applications phoned in or a centralized computer authorization set up by the "sponsor" of the gun show. I've never purchased at one of these type shows.

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[RainCityGirl]

On 10/26/2014 Qwackertoo said:

I lost my post but had looked up and about 10 states require background checks on ALL gun sales at gun shows. About 5 require them on handguns only. Leaving 35 to their own devices and loopholes.

I think the "loophole" should be closed.

From what I read . . . this is Private Sellers Only. Which is, you can't sell more than 4 guns per year . . . and fall into that category. Dealers and those with Federal Firearms Licenses must do the background checks per federal law.

I'd think "most" of those who travel the gun show "circuit" and have tables/booths for selling would fall under the federal laws and buyers would have to pass the background check.

That said . . . I've only been to 2-3 gun shows in my entire life. I didn't really care for the venue or the atmosphere. IF I want to buy a gun, I'll go to a regular store.

I don't know how easily it could be implemented at a "traveling" gun show whether it would be paper applications phoned in or a centralized computer authorization set up by the "sponsor" of the gun show. I've never purchased at one of these type shows.

The gun shows in my state apparently DO have private sellers and don't do background checks; hence, the reason for I594, which is being directed opposed by I591. I have never been to a gun show, nor can I think of any reason why I would EVER go to one, but I was at another venue at the fairgrounds when the gun show was going on. I think I know what you're getting at about the "atmosphere." I saw some of the people entering and exiting the gun show, and quite frankly, they scared me. What I DO wonder about are all these places on the Internet where you can buy firearms. How are they regulated?

[Qwackertoo]

On 10/27/2014 RainCityGirl said:

On 10/26/2014 Qwackertoo said:

I lost my post but had looked up and about 10 states require background checks on ALL gun sales at gun shows. About 5 require them on handguns only. Leaving 35 to their own devices and loopholes.

I think the "loophole" should be closed.

From what I read . . . this is Private Sellers Only. Which is, you can't sell more than 4 guns per year . . . and fall into that category. Dealers and those with Federal Firearms Licenses must do the background checks per federal law.

I'd think "most" of those who travel the gun show "circuit" and have tables/booths for selling would fall under the federal laws and buyers would have to pass the background check.

That said . . . I've only been to 2-3 gun shows in my entire life. I didn't really care for the venue or the atmosphere. IF I want to buy a gun, I'll go to a regular store.

I don't know how easily it could be implemented at a "traveling" gun show whether it would be paper applications phoned in or a centralized computer authorization set up by the "sponsor" of the gun show. I've never purchased at one of these type shows.

The gun shows in my state apparently DO have private sellers and don't do background checks; hence, the reason for I594, which is being directed opposed by I591. I have never been to a gun show, nor can I think of any reason why I would EVER go to one, but I was at another venue at the fairgrounds when the gun show was going on. I think I know what you're getting at about the "atmosphere." I saw some of the people entering and exiting the gun show, and quite frankly, they scared me. What I DO wonder about are all these places on the Internet where you can buy firearms. How are they regulated?

I think, I've never done it before, that you have to have the person you are buying from shipping it to a "willing" third party who has a Federal Firearms License . . . who then completes the transaction to the buyer by completing the proper background check. I think, most of these people do it for a "fee" . . . I'm fairly certain it varies . . . being 25.00 or 35.00 or 50.00 . . . I don't know IF that is regulated or they just charge a fee for their "services" in receiving and completing the paperwork. And I'm sure there are rules or "restocking" fees by the seller IF for some reason you don't pass the background check and thus the sale is then in "limbo" at the third party dealer who must then return the gun to the original seller.

But like I said, I've never done this . . . but I have read about it . . . and that was a few months or almost a year ago . . . and I'd imagine the rules might vary from state to state in regards to that person who has the FFL and of whom the completion of the transaction is necessary for the process.

I don't think this applies to ammo or other supplies. Although with some of these mass shootings in recent years . . . it might be a good idea to somehow monitor or flag these sales too.

[Qwackertoo]

On 10/27/2014 RainCityGirl said:

On 10/26/2014 Qwackertoo said:

I lost my post but had looked up and about 10 states require background checks on ALL gun sales at gun shows. About 5 require them on handguns only. Leaving 35 to their own devices and loopholes.

I think the "loophole" should be closed.

From what I read . . . this is Private Sellers Only. Which is, you can't sell more than 4 guns per year . . . and fall into that category. Dealers and those with Federal Firearms Licenses must do the background checks per federal law.

I'd think "most" of those who travel the gun show "circuit" and have tables/booths for selling would fall under the federal laws and buyers would have to pass the background check.

That said . . . I've only been to 2-3 gun shows in my entire life. I didn't really care for the venue or the atmosphere. IF I want to buy a gun, I'll go to a regular store.

I don't know how easily it could be implemented at a "traveling" gun show whether it would be paper applications phoned in or a centralized computer authorization set up by the "sponsor" of the gun show. I've never purchased at one of these type shows.

The gun shows in my state apparently DO have private sellers and don't do background checks; hence, the reason for I594, which is being directed opposed by I591. I have never been to a gun show, nor can I think of any reason why I would EVER go to one, but I was at another venue at the fairgrounds when the gun show was going on. I think I know what you're getting at about the "atmosphere." I saw some of the people entering and exiting the gun show, and quite frankly, they scared me. What I DO wonder about are all these places on the Internet where you can buy firearms. How are they regulated?

Do they not have to comply with the no more than 4 sales per year rule in your state?

While 4 doesn't seem like a lot . . . not IF you are in business to make a living selling firearms . . . 4 can be a lot IF sold to one person that kills just one person . . . much less IF that one person kills 20 or 30 people. One is too many. Not that a background check would catch anything or everything . . . I'd think most people would prefer all buyers pass a background check for starters. Then they can somehow someway implement and track buyers who have been admitted for mental issues . . . I guess they somehow "mark" you IF you are a convicted felon so maybe something along those lines tied to your SSN.

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[RainCityGirl]

On 10/27/2014 Qwackertoo said:

On 10/27/2014 RainCityGirl said:

On 10/26/2014 Qwackertoo said:

I lost my post but had looked up and about 10 states require background checks on ALL gun sales at gun shows. About 5 require them on handguns only. Leaving 35 to their own devices and loopholes.

I think the "loophole" should be closed.

From what I read . . . this is Private Sellers Only. Which is, you can't sell more than 4 guns per year . . . and fall into that category. Dealers and those with Federal Firearms Licenses must do the background checks per federal law.

I'd think "most" of those who travel the gun show "circuit" and have tables/booths for selling would fall under the federal laws and buyers would have to pass the background check.

That said . . . I've only been to 2-3 gun shows in my entire life. I didn't really care for the venue or the atmosphere. IF I want to buy a gun, I'll go to a regular store.

I don't know how easily it could be implemented at a "traveling" gun show whether it would be paper applications phoned in or a centralized computer authorization set up by the "sponsor" of the gun show. I've never purchased at one of these type shows.

The gun shows in my state apparently DO have private sellers and don't do background checks; hence, the reason for I594, which is being directed opposed by I591. I have never been to a gun show, nor can I think of any reason why I would EVER go to one, but I was at another venue at the fairgrounds when the gun show was going on. I think I know what you're getting at about the "atmosphere." I saw some of the people entering and exiting the gun show, and quite frankly, they scared me. What I DO wonder about are all these places on the Internet where you can buy firearms. How are they regulated?

Do they not have to comply with the no more than 4 sales per year rule in your state?

While 4 doesn't seem like a lot . . . not IF you are in business to make a living selling firearms . . . 4 can be a lot IF sold to one person that kills just one person . . . much less IF that one person kills 20 or 30 people. One is too many. Not that a background check would catch anything or everything . . . I'd think most people would prefer all buyers pass a background check for starters. Then they can somehow someway implement and track buyers who have been admitted for mental issues . . . I guess they somehow "mark" you IF you are a convicted felon so maybe something along those lines tied to your SSN.

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I really don't know what all the laws are regarding purchase of guns in my state since they don't really relate to me. All I know is Initiative 594 has aimed directly at gun shows and private sellers who don't do background checks. There must be a reason it's on the ballot. Again, I have NO idea what laws actually regulate Internet gun sales or the sale of ammo online either. That's a whole other ballgame, and a scary one at that.

I just checked, and this initiative is also aimed at internet sellers.