Community Chat

[Lion]

On 2/27/2015 ktlynam said:

On 2/27/2015 Snowpuppy said:

On 2/27/2015 Lion said:

Besides the very young and immune compromised who cannot be vaccinated, there are others.

There are elderly who never were vaccinated and would be very vulnerable.

Also, the poor population often has little medical help and don't always have access to vaccinations.

There are important issues when the good of society has to take precedence over individual rights. It's the price we pay for living in society.

Medicaid? Healthcare for poor folk. Free vaccines at many local health departments.

formerly of the working poor I made too much to qualify for the free stuff and no employer provided health care. I did the wrong thing. I went to work.

I would have to agree that the argument that poor people don't always have access to medical help or vaccinations is incorrect. Unless, of course, they are hill people living in the remote areas of the US where there are no doctors.

Some of the poor population do not have easy access to vaccinations for a variety of reasons. Medicaid and other medical assistance may be available but it doesn't guarantee that all who qualify know about it or are able to take advantage of it.

Poverty often goes hand-in-hand with poorly educated and poorly informed. We have great poverty in this country and that has a significant effect on whether those people get vaccinated.

[brii]

There are many clinics that have free or reduce-price vaccinations for kids who come from poor families.

Statistically, it's people who are in the higher income brackets that don't vaccinate.

[raven-blackbird]

On 2/27/2015 brii said:

There are many clinics that have free or reduce-price vaccinations for kids who come from poor families.

Statistically, it's people who are in the higher income brackets that don't vaccinate.

higher income brackets, generally are more educated.........correct??......................raven

[Lila Belle]

Why anyone would opt out for philosophical reasons and risk their child's health or possible death from a preventable disease is beyond me.

Melinda Gates speaks about women in Africa carrying their children for many miles to clinics for vaccinations because they have seen the deaths of their children. When clinics are available they vaccinate at a much higher rate than the US.

[brii]

On 2/27/2015 raven-blackbird said:

On 2/27/2015 brii said:

There are many clinics that have free or reduce-price vaccinations for kids who come from poor families.

Statistically, it's people who are in the higher income brackets that don't vaccinate.

higher income brackets, generally are more educated.........correct??......................raven

I would assume so, yes.

[Suziepeach]

Gosh when we were kids', children of poor, rich and middle class, we all went to the Health Department for our shots- they were free..

[raven-blackbird]

On 2/27/2015 brii said:

On 2/27/2015 raven-blackbird said:

On 2/27/2015 brii said:

There are many clinics that have free or reduce-price vaccinations for kids who come from poor families.

Statistically, it's people who are in the higher income brackets that don't vaccinate.

higher income brackets, generally are more educated.........correct??......................raven

I would assume so, yes.

interesting.............................................raven

[occasionalrain]

On 2/27/2015 chrystaltree said:

I have no problem with parents opting out of vaccinations for their kids for LEGITIMATE health reasons. In fact, states that mandate vaccinations allow that. But parents shouldn't be allowed to opt out for philosophical or psuedo-science reasons or just plain ignorance. Every parent has a right to put their own child at risk but they do not have a right to put other people's children at risk and that is what happens when we allow people to opt out of vaccinations. Like it or not, for the good of society, we all have to do things that we aren't particularly happy about. It's not like vaccinations are brand new and untested and it's not like the Small pox, measles, ruebella etc aren't serious diseases.

Since other parents have the right to vaccinate their child and therefore remove the health risk presented by those unvaccinated it's not a public health concern sufficient to require giving up one's rights. Even unvaccinated, the measles is not fatal in most people, so again not sufficient to force people to give up the right to choose what's put into their body or the bodies of their children.

[lovescats]

On 2/27/2015 occasional rain said:

On 2/27/2015 chrystaltree said:

I have no problem with parents opting out of vaccinations for their kids for LEGITIMATE health reasons. In fact, states that mandate vaccinations allow that. But parents shouldn't be allowed to opt out for philosophical or psuedo-science reasons or just plain ignorance. Every parent has a right to put their own child at risk but they do not have a right to put other people's children at risk and that is what happens when we allow people to opt out of vaccinations. Like it or not, for the good of society, we all have to do things that we aren't particularly happy about. It's not like vaccinations are brand new and untested and it's not like the Small pox, measles, ruebella etc aren't serious diseases.

Since other parents have the right to vaccinate their child and therefore remove the health risk presented by those unvaccinated it's not a public health concern sufficient to require giving up one's rights. Even unvaccinated, the measles is not fatal in most people, so again not sufficient to force people to give up the right to choose what's put into their body or the bodies of their children.

Measles is one of the leading causes of death among young children even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available.

In 2013, there were 145 700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour.

Measles vaccination resulted in a 75% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2013 worldwide.

In 2013, about 84% of the world's children received one dose of measles vaccine by their first birthday through routine health services – up from 73% in 2000.

During 2000-2013, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 15.6 million deaths making measles vaccine one of the best buys in public health.

from the world health organization

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

[adelle38]

On 2/27/2015 raven-blackbird said:

On 2/27/2015 brii said:

There are many clinics that have free or reduce-price vaccinations for kids who come from poor families.

Statistically, it's people who are in the higher income brackets that don't vaccinate.

higher income brackets, generally are more educated.........correct??......................raven

More educated isn't necessarily more intelligent.