Ailes Out at Fox? - Page 7

mstyrion 1 · ‎09-18-2014

@terrier3 wrote:
@Stray wrote:
@mstyrion 1 wrote:
@Stray wrote:
He may be out but not relative to the allegations because he hasn't been to court as yet.
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Under the Anti Sexual harassment regulations, a company is required to take action if an internal investigation reveals harassment did take place. Action can include termination. A court of law finding is not needed.

In fact, the company can be severely punished and become completely liable if they fail to take action.
@mstyrion 1- you are correct. I've done such investigations in my former Company before retirement. Fox has been conducting internal investigations which are far better than external because they are confidential and done by neutral people familiar to those being questioned and they are more apt to confide in them rather than have their names in the news . The internal investigation is NOT complete as yet. Yes, if they find impropriety he will be terminated as he should be. If their internal investigation is inconclusive, then, they will have to await a court/mediator decision. I have found that in the course of these investigations with people at a high level, a financial settlement may be offered in turn for a resignation. The longer this goes on, the longer Fox's name is in the news and blemished being labeled as a "sexist" or hostile workplace. Ailes may not have the intestinal fortitude to go through a very public trial if the court decides that this will be a trial or not. They can't even decide which state will handle the whole mess. So the whole thing may be very lengthy. Ailes may care about the network itself or just self preservation and he is in his 70s. The Murdochs care about the network only not Carlson nor Ailes; it's business and preservation of the organization.

However, Ailes can not be terminated based on allegations only unless he agrees to leave with a settlement. Our justice system is based on the fact that you are innocent until proven guilty even in the most heinous of crimes. To this date, to my knowledge, he has not been proven guilty only in the court of public opinion. I am not supporting Ailes, but awaiting the facts before judgement.
Ailes works in New York State.
You can be fired in NY State "at will." No reason has to be given at all, as long as you don't fall into a protected class of workers - disabled, pregnant, racial, etc.
I'm sure he works on a contract with several severance clauses. They can fight out his settlement in court.

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ITA, terrier

I think there is some confusion about the term "innocent until proven guilty". That is a test in the criminal justice system and has no bearing whatsoever on employer/employee relations-especially in an "at will" state.

~Enough is enough~

AngusandBuddhasMom · ‎03-10-2010

@MyGirlsMom wrote:
@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:
@MyGirlsMom wrote:
@AngusandBuddhasMom

Your post deserved more tan a "heart." I just can't believe how horrible that must have been for you and your daughter. You were in great danger and you were brave enough to stick with it. You deserve all the accolades that can be given for all that you've been though.

Thanks it happened almost 15 years ago and I have actually just started to talk about it to people outside my family. Not a fun time I can assure you. But time has away of erasing the hard edges so that you can move forward. And that we have done. Thank you again for your kind words.
@AngusandBuddhasMom

Your post took my breath away..

Many woman aren't as brave as you and some who were aren't here to tell about it. I remember a story somewhere out west where the wife of a high ranking police officer was killed by her husband because she spoke out against his violence.

Thanks at the time I didn't feel brave. But I was mad that my child was threatened and I was not having it. The only reason his CO believed me was in his possession they found my glasses and he tried to say they were his mothers. He was trying to convince them he had not seen me since I moved out. Unbeknownst to me I called his CO asking if they had found my glasses and if they did could I please have them back. Thankfully that seemed to put a big crack in all his lies. And the first time he did this to me I was not so brave I stayed. I sent my daughter to live with my Mom and I stayed because I was afraid if I left he would hurt both of us. I guess I had met my breaking pointing prior to the second and last time even though he found us.

MyGirlsMom · ‎03-09-2010

@AngusandBuddhasMom

darn it, you're gonna make me cry!

HUGS and LOVE to you, your daughter and your mother

Keep Your Face To The Sunshine and You Will Not See The Shadow

mstyrion 1 · ‎09-18-2014

@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:
@MyGirlsMom wrote:
@AngusandBuddhasMom

Your post deserved more tan a "heart." I just can't believe how horrible that must have been for you and your daughter. You were in great danger and you were brave enough to stick with it. You deserve all the accolades that can be given for all that you've been though.

Thanks it happened almost 15 years ago and I have actually just started to talk about it to people outside my family. Not a fun time I can assure you. But time has away of erasing the hard edges so that you can move forward. And that we have done. Thank you again for your kind words.

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You are indeed a brave woman.

I was also in an abusive relationship and got out before any serious damage was done to me. I didn't have to contend with the Thin Blue Line like you did. You are a hero!

~Enough is enough~

JJsMom · ‎03-10-2010

@Pearlee wrote:

As for Megyn, why didn't she say something before now? Because she wanted the millions Ailes was paying her I suppose. I have no respect for her for not speaking out long before now if what she's claiming (if the unnamed "sources" are correct) - she put up with the harassment then to make the money. That would say a lot about her.

A lot of women probably feel like they have to keep their mouths shut to protect their livelihoods. If she complained, she could've been punished other ways -- given a bad time slot, phased out after a few years, or blacklisted in the industry.

I'm not saying what she alleged was true, but there are many legitimate reasons why victims don't come forward.

What bothers me more is that these two women continued to push very sexist and demeaning agendas after (allegedly) being harassed.

If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. ~ Desmond Tutu

Stray · ‎04-20-2013

@MyGirlsMom- they can't fire him without cause .....no matter what he signed. If he is found guilty after the internal investigation or there are strong suspicions, the cards will be put on the table and he will be fired or given a courtesy of resignation as he should be because he committed a crime and abused his power. They can mention the morals clause if there is one but they have been proven to be useless when applied to the law; they leave them out of most contracts today as improper conduct is spelled out explicitly depending on the industry. Mr Ailes could counter sue for wrongful termination if he were fired based upon allegations and particularly from disgruntled employees; so Fox will have their ducks in a row. These internal investigations are done rapidly, efficiently and fairly. I don't know the validity of Ms Carlsen's allegations or if it happened or not....but being on both sides of the issue, I want the facts before I judge. Many times women have been on the victim side and they carry that bias in judging all accused men. It's human nature, that's how we work. It is a horrible experience to be abused in any way; it changes you but you still can not base judgement by your past experiences which is why they interview jurors....to see if you carry a prejudice and if you do, can you set it aside. I am not bashing Ms Carlsen or any woman or man who was/is a victim....but I just don't know if Ailes is guilty or not and again, if he is, he will be punished as he should be.

Stray · ‎04-20-2013

@goldensrbest wrote:
Any hope of shutting down fox news?

I hope not because then there would be nothing to trash on the threads except the hosts and LR I guess..

MyGirlsMom · ‎03-09-2010

@Stray

With regard to Mr. Ailes position at Fox news, my opinion is that the decision to let him go is not solely based on the headlines. There is an undercurrent or some other bad behavior that his employers are aware of and want him to quit or be fired.

Keep Your Face To The Sunshine and You Will Not See The Shadow

Pearlee · ‎06-11-2011

@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:
@Pearlee wrote:
@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
Well, it's on the internet this morning ,,,,,, MEGYN KELLY has told investigators that Ailes has made unwanted secksual advances toward her.

I knew others would come forward .... here's a link for those that need to be spoon fed the details,

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/07/19/sources-megyn-kelly-told-murdoch-investigators-that-roger-aile...
I don't need to be "spoon fed" the details but do want to see documentation when people make their statements. Case in point: the thread here that Kate Middleton is pregnant. NOT. When people do not document their statements, I have no reason to believe them. If your spin on it is being "spoof fed" well.....I'm really not surprised by that.

As for Megyn, why didn't she say something before now? Because she wanted the millions Ailes was paying her I suppose. I have no respect for her for not speaking out before this time.
Documentation? Because you can't just research it?

I can but why should the onus be on me when it's not my claim? Nope not bothering, why should I? I find that a lot of people on these boards aren't very credible. If they were, they wouldn't hesitate to post the documentation.

AngusandBuddhasMom · ‎03-10-2010

@mstyrion 1 wrote:
@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:
@MyGirlsMom wrote:
@AngusandBuddhasMom

Your post deserved more tan a "heart." I just can't believe how horrible that must have been for you and your daughter. You were in great danger and you were brave enough to stick with it. You deserve all the accolades that can be given for all that you've been though.

Thanks it happened almost 15 years ago and I have actually just started to talk about it to people outside my family. Not a fun time I can assure you. But time has away of erasing the hard edges so that you can move forward. And that we have done. Thank you again for your kind words.
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You are indeed a brave woman.

I was also in an abusive relationship and got out before any serious damage was done to me. I didn't have to contend with the Thin Blue Line like you did. You are a hero!