Adult dress codes - Page 22

Lynnster67 · ‎08-18-2015

My financial services firm has been "business casual" w/denim permitted on Friday since 2000. When the policy changed, HR held a fashion show of do's and don'ts.

Guys have it so much easier - basically khakis with a dress shirt, polo shirt, rugby shirt, or sweater (depending on weather).

Every summer when the interns come, HR has to send out dress code reminders b/c some of the young ladies don't realize that tank tops, tube tops, halter tops, micro-mini skirts, flip flops, etc. aren't appropriate office attire. Also, the denim can't be frayed or have rips

Small tattoos (eg, rose or butterfly on ankle or wrist) don't bother me, but I really don't need to see large tats, or piercings in non-traditional places.

esmerelda · ‎03-10-2010

@Pook Those who got away without doing their jobs very likely would have gotten away with that even if they were in jeans and T's. They may somehow be "in" with management. I see it all the time...I call it "special rules for special people."

As far as respect being earned...in an earlier post you said, "The example teachers should be giving is...how to treat others with respect." Maybe you meant they should teach their students that others are not to be treated with respect until it is earned. If that isn't what you meant, how is ignoring a dress code respectful?

Whatever the standards are, they should be enforced or done away with.

The people who don't do their jobs...like those you mentioned in the nursing home...did you complain to someone who could do something about it? Because that's the choice we have...put up with it or try to change it.

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Pook · ‎03-20-2010

@esmerelda wrote:
@Pook Those who got away without doing their jobs very likely would have gotten away with that even if they were in jeans and T's. They may somehow be "in" with management. I see it all the time...I call it "special rules for special people."

As far as respect being earned...in an earlier post you said, "The example teachers should be giving is...how to treat others with respect." Maybe you meant they should teach their students that others are not to be treated with respect until it is earned. If that isn't what you meant, how is ignoring a dress code respectful?

Whatever the standards are, they should be enforced or done away with.

The people who don't do their jobs...like those you mentioned in the nursing home...did you complain to someone who could do something about it? Because that's the choice we have...put up with it or try to change it.

@esmerelda Those who got away with not doing their jobs would not have gotten away with it if they had not fooled the inept management into thinking they were so great by their dress as that was the start of them being favored!!

People can be respected until they have blatantly demonstrated that thy are not worthy of it - title means nothing then!!

No dress code was ignored. If anyone doesn't want to abide by a dress code by their employers then they need to look elsewhere for employment.

As for the nursing home - Complaints were filed at many levels and the false documentation provided by the home that my dad ate, took meds and was helped to bath, etc. resulted in the complaints being dismissed over and over again!!

esmerelda · ‎03-10-2010

@Pook Not to beat a dead horse...

a. You're saying appearance is the only thing on which teachers are rated at evaluation time...not testing scores or pass/fail of students or any other factors?

b. Ideally you'd have your own documentation of who did and did not do what at the nursing home. Or make your complaimts "in the moment" to whoever is in charge at the time.

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Pook · ‎03-20-2010

@esmerelda wrote:
@Pook Not to beat a dead horse...

a. You're saying appearance is the only thing on which teachers are rated at evaluation time...not testing scores or pass/fail of students or any other factors?

b. Ideally you'd have your own documentation of who did and did not do what at the nursing home. Or make your complaimts "in the moment" to whoever is in charge at the time.

@esmereldaNever said anything about teachers evaluations - just responded to those that think teacher's should teach students to show respect for employers by dressing in what they think is "appropriate" and those that think a teacher should command respect by dressing "appropriately" !!!(??). You will not get respect by commanding it!! You are respected by how you do your job and treat those you deal with - and yes it has to be earned and not merely because of a job title or type of clothing worn!!!

And although it's none of anyone's business whether I filed complaints to many agencies. I filed mine through an attorney who deals with such things as well as with the place that owned this particular home as well as many other places.

That poor horse has been dead and buried and don't understand the need to dig him up and try to revive him by making up things I didn't post!!!

Greeneyedlady21 · ‎01-06-2015

I think teachers should have a dress code if students do, and vice versa. Similar expectations and standards in each. I think jeans can look professional if they're the right style, cut, color, and condition. Jeans to me do not automatically mean unprofessional in a school setting. Trouser jeans can look very polished.

I am old enough that I never saw a teacher in jeans. And teachers did dress up more professionally. Teachers should set a good example for students imo. I care more about how they teach and what kind of people they are and how they treat their students. But sometimes it is a total package and can include more superficial qualities.

Just for my standards jeggings, leggings are better left for home. To eliminate any ambiguity, it's best to really spell out specifics in school dress codes. In any dress codes.

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

esmerelda · ‎03-10-2010

@Pook I didn't make up anything.

In an earlier post you said:

A person can be conservatively "appropriately" dressed but not have common decency and no work ethic. I witnessed it and the workers I supervised that dressed in what some here say is appropriate for the workplace but to get them to do the job they were hired for was nearly impossible and the management thought they were so great because of the way they dressed.

...which caused me to say what I did about evaluations. Isn't that how management demonstrates that the employee is "so great"?

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Pook · ‎03-20-2010

@esmerelda wrote:
@Pook I didn't make up anything.

In an earlier post you said:

A person can be conservatively "appropriately" dressed but not have common decency and no work ethic. I witnessed it and the workers I supervised that dressed in what some here say is appropriate for the workplace but to get them to do the job they were hired for was nearly impossible and the management thought they were so great because of the way they dressed.

...which caused me to say what I did about evaluations. Isn't that how management demonstrates that the employee is "so great"?
Where in that post did I say anything about evaluations? I was the one who did the evaluations on record. Since there was documented proof, they could not be changed by anyone!!! You read into it what you wanted! My meaning is that even with the overwhelming documented evidence that these workers did not do their jobs, they were thought to be so great in spite of my honest evaluations with proof they made a huge amount of errors, had many complaints filed by the public and didn't do even half the work of the workers who wore more casual clothing such as jeans. Those were constantly picked on by the management for things that did not even matter in spite of direct proof that they outworked the slackers and actually did correct the messes made by the "appropriate" dressers! This is a far cry from your created scenario!!! Management was so inept that they couldn't look beyond the outward appearance of the workers. I was only concerned with getting the work I was in charge of accomplished with minimal errors and no complaints from those we provided service to and that is all that mattered.

esmerelda · ‎03-10-2010

@Pook

The paragraph I quoted was from post 208 before the nursing home came into the conversation. So I wasn't talking about their evaluations.

You said you supervised these people who dressed appropriately but "to get them to do the job they were hired for was nearly impossible and the management thought they were so great because of the way they dressed."

As their supervisor were you part of management? Did you do their evaluations or have input into them? (I'm guessing they had evaluations. These days...who knows?)

If you were or did...'nuff said.

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Pook · ‎03-20-2010

@esmerelda I don't get why you are so motivated to keep finding a flaw in my posts that you read what you want in them and seemingly are trying to confuse the issue.

I was a supervisor and not a part of management in any way shape or form. Why you felt it necessary to address that is beyond comprehension! I was the person with the knowledge able to train and direct the employees I supervised and as I stated did their evaluations but yet you obviously didn't read that part so you should have known I did their evals! I then posted my many years experience as a supervisor and my last post had nothing about my nursing home experience so don't get why you are bringing that up in your last post.