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[Cakers3]

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@I am still oxox wrote:

Thank you to those who replied in kind, and as far as the ones bashing me just for being me. I am sorry that people take the opportunity to belittle others who are just trying to live their best life

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@I am still oxox Nobody is bashing you. ADA can be complex.

You are the one assuming people are against you and that is not true.

You do not know how many of us face access issues.

Let me tell you my DH and my DS are 💯 disabled. Even I use a walker at home and a cane when outside. DS rarely leaves his home now. They will pass away eventually from their health.

DH struggles at markets to make it to the section where there are the store electric carts. Sometimes he has fallen on the way. We get him up and he continues on.

Should he complain that the HP spaces are too far away? No. The market is in full compliance.

@Isobel Archer I will also say to you posters are not against ADA.

Your remark about posts being "sad" is out of line. You do not know all of us. Work arounds are always a solution. You are acting as though the OP is the only person facing an access issue 

Some viable solutions were submitted. She wants to complain about a situation that cannot be fixed overnight. 

Ramps, platforms, etc. must follow codes too. You cannot just slap up a ramp/platform overnight and also remove the gravel and fix the greenhouse floor. So too the uneven ground.

We get it. She should contact the appropriate agencies as stated so many times.

Now she isn't going to bother and will take her money elsewhere.

So the venue could not have been that important since she is now walking away leaving potential future disabled persons out of luck.

This whole story turned into useless discussion.

Accusations, people determining what should be done as though they are construction/land redesign professionals etc 

She could find a way but decided to not to pursue leaving the problem for some other disabled person to fix.

Apparently the whole issue simply was not an issue after all.

[I am still oxox]

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@Cakers3 wrote:

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@I am still oxox wrote:

Thank you to those who replied in kind, and as far as the ones bashing me just for being me. I am sorry that people take the opportunity to belittle others who are just trying to live their best life

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@I am still oxox Nobody is bashing you. ADA can be complex.

You are the one assuming people are against you and that is not true.

You do not know how many of us face access issues.

Let me tell you my DH and my DS are 💯 disabled. Even I use a walker at home and a cane when outside. DS rarely leaves his home now. They will pass away eventually from their health.

DH struggles at markets to make it to the section where there are the store electric carts. Sometimes he has fallen on the way. We get him up and he continues on.

Should he complain that the HP spaces are too far away? No. The market is in full compliance.

@Isobel Archer I will also say to you posters are not against ADA.

Your remark about posts being "sad" is out of line. You do not know all of us. Work arounds are always a solution. You are acting as though the OP is the only person facing an access issue 

Some viable solutions were submitted. She wants to complain about a situation that cannot be fixed overnight. 

Ramps, platforms, etc. must follow codes too. You cannot just slap up a ramp/platform overnight and also remove the gravel and fix the greenhouse floor. So too the uneven ground.

We get it. She should contact the appropriate agencies as stated so many times.

Now she isn't going to bother and will take her money elsewhere.

So the venue could not have been that important since she is now walking away leaving potential future disabled persons out of luck.

This whole story turned into useless discussion.

Accusations, people determining what should be done as though they are construction/land redesign professionals etc 

She could find a way but decided to not to pursue leaving the problem for some other disabled person to fix.

Apparently the whole issue simply was not an issue after all.

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@Cakers3 The offending remarks were removed. I have learned to pick my battles and this one was not worth my time 

[Cakers3]

@I am still oxox  I read this whole thread. My ultimate point to is that you decided to walk away from this venue instead of doing something for you and for future disabled persons. This could not have been important to you.

Walking away without spending your $49+service fee proved nothing.

Codes also dictate ramps, platforms, etc. They are not done overnight. Same with the gravel and uneven flooring and land.

This thread turned into nothing solved, posters accused of not understanding, etc.etc.etc. 

Including a whole c/p from Wiki no less about the golf course.🙄

Done.

[I am still oxox]

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@Cakers3 wrote:

@I am still oxox  I read this whole thread. My ultimate point to is that you decided to walk away from this venue instead of doing something for you and for future disabled persons. This could not have been important to you.

Walking away without spending your $49+service fee proved nothing.

Codes also dictate ramps, platforms, etc. They are not done overnight. Same with the gravel and uneven flooring and land.

This thread turned into nothing solved, posters accused of not understanding, etc.etc.etc. 

Including a whole c/p from Wiki no less about the golf course.🙄

Done.

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@Cakers3  I know when to walk away, they were very set on not making the place handbagged accessible so I moved on

[Group 5 minus 1]

I just Googled ADA compliant. Very confusing.

[Isobel Archer]

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@Cakers3 wrote:

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@I am still oxox wrote:

Thank you to those who replied in kind, and as far as the ones bashing me just for being me. I am sorry that people take the opportunity to belittle others who are just trying to live their best life

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@I am still oxox Nobody is bashing you. ADA can be complex.

You are the one assuming people are against you and that is not true.

You do not know how many of us face access issues.

Let me tell you my DH and my DS are 💯 disabled. Even I use a walker at home and a cane when outside. DS rarely leaves his home now. They will pass away eventually from their health.

DH struggles at markets to make it to the section where there are the store electric carts. Sometimes he has fallen on the way. We get him up and he continues on.

Should he complain that the HP spaces are too far away? No. The market is in full compliance.

@Isobel Archer I will also say to you posters are not against ADA.

Your remark about posts being "sad" is out of line. You do not know all of us. Work arounds are always a solution. You are acting as though the OP is the only person facing an access issue 

Some viable solutions were submitted. She wants to complain about a situation that cannot be fixed overnight. 

Ramps, platforms, etc. must follow codes too. You cannot just slap up a ramp/platform overnight and also remove the gravel and fix the greenhouse floor. So too the uneven ground.

We get it. She should contact the appropriate agencies as stated so many times.

Now she isn't going to bother and will take her money elsewhere.

So the venue could not have been that important since she is now walking away leaving potential future disabled persons out of luck.

This whole story turned into useless discussion.

Accusations, people determining what should be done as though they are construction/land redesign professionals etc 

She could find a way but decided to not to pursue leaving the problem for some other disabled person to fix.

Apparently the whole issue simply was not an issue after all.

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I say it's sad because this is clearly not about the ADA in general or about how people - again in general - can/should work with their own disabilities.

This is NOT about renovating an historic building or adding ramps or stairlifts etc.

This IS about the performance being outside and the VENUE ITSELF saying that the path to get there from the parking lot is uneven and potentially unsafe for anyone not steady on their feet.  So again, it seems rather clear that providing a cart would aid not ONLY those using walkers, but even anyone who might need a bit of assistance.

Now, apparently, this lack of such help has not deterred ablebodied people from attending and thus the Venue sees no need to provide assistance and has apparently told the OP that her need is not their problem.  Nice.  And others on this thread apparently agree.  That's what I think is sad.

[I am still oxox]

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@Cakers3 wrote:

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@I am still oxox wrote:

Thank you to those who replied in kind, and as far as the ones bashing me just for being me. I am sorry that people take the opportunity to belittle others who are just trying to live their best life

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@I am still oxox Nobody is bashing you. ADA can be complex.

You are the one assuming people are against you and that is not true.

You do not know how many of us face access issues.

Let me tell you my DH and my DS are 💯 disabled. Even I use a walker at home and a cane when outside. DS rarely leaves his home now. They will pass away eventually from their health.

DH struggles at markets to make it to the section where there are the store electric carts. Sometimes he has fallen on the way. We get him up and he continues on.

Should he complain that the HP spaces are too far away? No. The market is in full compliance.

@Isobel Archer I will also say to you posters are not against ADA.

Your remark about posts being "sad" is out of line. You do not know all of us. Work arounds are always a solution. You are acting as though the OP is the only person facing an access issue 

Some viable solutions were submitted. She wants to complain about a situation that cannot be fixed overnight. 

Ramps, platforms, etc. must follow codes too. You cannot just slap up a ramp/platform overnight and also remove the gravel and fix the greenhouse floor. So too the uneven ground.

We get it. She should contact the appropriate agencies as stated so many times.

Now she isn't going to bother and will take her money elsewhere.

So the venue could not have been that important since she is now walking away leaving potential future disabled persons out of luck.

This whole story turned into useless discussion.

Accusations, people determining what should be done as though they are construction/land redesign professionals etc 

She could find a way but decided to not to pursue leaving the problem for some other disabled person to fix.

Apparently the whole issue simply was not an issue after all.

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I say it's sad because this is clearly not about the ADA in general or about how people - again in general - can/should work with their own disabilities.

This is NOT about renovating an historic building or adding ramps or stairlifts etc.

This IS about the performance being outside and the VENUE ITSELF saying that the path to get there from the parking lot is uneven and potentially unsafe for anyone not steady on their feet.  So again, it seems rather clear that providing a cart would aid not ONLY those using walkers, but even anyone who might need a bit of assistance.

Now, apparently, this lack of such help has not deterred ablebodied people from attending and thus the Venue sees no need to provide assistance and has apparently told the OP that her need is not their problem.  Nice.  And others on this thread apparently agree.  That's what I think is sad.

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@Isobel Archer Thank you so very much

[Hoovermom]

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@THEY CallMe Mr Wilkes wrote:

The Lyndhurst Mansion itself is not totally ADA compliant for the reasons cited by others exempting some historic sites.  There are restroom and elevator limitations and not every floor is accessible to all touring the building. 

The Greenhouse is historic and protected and Lyndhurst has made as many accommodations as are possible and fiscally feasible. 

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Yes, there are places that are "grandfathered" in due to being historical sites.  I am sure they have already been inspected to see if they are ADA complaint.

[KKJ]

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@I am still oxox wrote:

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@Cakers3 wrote:

@I am still oxox  I read this whole thread. My ultimate point to is that you decided to walk away from this venue instead of doing something for you and for future disabled persons. This could not have been important to you.

Walking away without spending your $49+service fee proved nothing.

Codes also dictate ramps, platforms, etc. They are not done overnight. Same with the gravel and uneven flooring and land.

This thread turned into nothing solved, posters accused of not understanding, etc.etc.etc. 

Including a whole c/p from Wiki no less about the golf course.🙄

Done.

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@Cakers3  I know when to walk away, they were very set on not making the place handbagged accessible so I moved on

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handbagged accessible?