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[mousiegirl]

On 3/18/2015 SusieQ_2 said:

And again cakers, I respectfully disagree with most everything you’ve posted.

First, why should anyone here feel a need to defend their position about the death penalty to you or anyone else? I am for it, you are not. I’m not here to change your mind, and you’re not going to change mine. I don’t feel differently about you for your opinion either, so I guess we’re good there.

Next, why should I or anyone else here be asked to defend something that someone else has said? Do I ask you to defend people who want to see Jodi freed? Of course I don’t. Each of us is responsible for what we say, and what we say only.

Regardless of the fact that there are other murders that have taken place, the fact is that this one was highly publicized and the one we are discussing. Still not sure why you’re so bothered by that.

That you believe people have other motivations for posting what they do is interesting, however, people are allowed to post about whatever they want to whether you think it’s relevant or not. It was obviously germane to their conversation, and if you find that conversation unacceptable, then don’t participate. You have your opinion about what is self-righteous, and other people have theirs. We don’t have to agree.

As far as the dp being unevenly applied, it doesn’t matter to me. If someone has committed a crime that has made them dp eligible, then they face the chance that it will be applied to them. That some criminal got off on a technicality, or whatever the case may be, doesn’t matter. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. As far as DNA goes, there are cases where there is no doubt whatsoever about guilt and Jodi was one of those cases.

I have to admit I’m scratching my head about the potentiality of the criminal’s life and having had a mother. Of course that’s almost minor in comparison to the next statement about not caring whether or not a person chose their actions deliberately. Sorry, but those things make zero sense to me and it goes even further downhill in your next paragraph. Suffice it to say, you and I will never agree there.

But hey, here’s something you can agree on! Jodi’s sentence isn’t going to change your life one way or another. But it’s not about you…and it’s not about me (other than that society is wronged when justice is not served). But it is about the family of the young man whose life was stolen from him and the future they would have known having him in their lives. If they feel that justice means having Jodi lose her life for the life she so heinously destroyed then that’s how they feel. They should have had that closure knowing she’d be actually be punished rather that seeing her face on social media and knowing she spends nine hours on a Saturday video chatting with her fans.

If I believed in h*ll, I’d agree with Travis’ sister who said, “The ultimate penalty will be in the afterlife when she burns in h*ll.”

I’m thinking she must have missed the forgiveness makes it feel better memo.

[terrier3]

On 3/18/2015 Maryann_R said:

Especially considering that she could potentially get LWP. Time being served for almost 7 years, she could get out and terrorize other men that in her eyes have done her wrong.

I think she has the same chance of getting parole as Charles Manson does!

BTW - Lots of times the verdict doesn't match the crime, IMO. Just look at Durst. He got off with killing a man, cutting him up and feeding him to the fishes...plus two more murders probably a well.

Ms. Arias was convicted, is behind bars and isn't going anywhere.

[Cakers1]

On 3/18/2015 kalikokty said:

On 3/18/2015 Cakers1 said:

On 3/18/2015 MJ 12 said:

On 3/18/2015 Cakers1 said:

On 3/17/2015 Maryann_R said:

<em>But yet all of these people feel sorry for Jodi</em> for the state seeking the DP for what she did. Where is their compassion for what she did to Travis? The look on his face in the first shower picture said it all. He knew what she was going to do to him, I believe. The look was not one of him posing, but one of fear for his life.

Who in the world ever said that they feel sorry for Jodi????? Just because some of us posters are against the death penalty doesn't mean that we don't recognize the severity of this crime. Apples and oranges.

And I still fail to see the "deception" on the part of this juror - you've all been told time and again with reputable links as to what this juror disclosed.

So Jodi didn't get the death penalty. Big deal - it is what it is. I think some of you are just pullling your hair out for reasons other than feeling justice for Travis.

Agree. Not a single person ever stated she "feels sorry for JA" or has any sympathy for her.

And ITA with everything else you said.

Thank you - and let's not forget the posters who have stated that they hope JA gets killed by other inmates.

Something is seriously wrong with this over reaction to JA - it has gone beyond really caring about "justice for Travis" to wishing JA dead by other hands not tied to the execution of the DP.

Great idea. Something is seriously wrong with the MONSTER JA being given a life sentence. I don't believe that if this crime was committed against family member of yours or anyone else on here who opposes the dp would feel satisfied with the verdict of a life sentence.

A ludicrous statement. First of all, you are expecting posters to imagine a loved one murdered. I myself cannot picture that.

But if one is against the dp, then one is against it. There have been plenty of cases where victim families did not want the dp at all.

Nobody said a word, either, that Travis' family should just forgive her. Forgiving JA isn't based on her sentence; it's based on what the individual feels is best for them.

If they forgive her, fine. If they don't, fine. But imo forgiveness is not based on killing the criminal; it is an internal struggle that should never have a condition attached to it.

I'm really upset that I'm being called angry if somebody doesn't agree with my pov, too. I thought this was an open discussion but I guess unless I jump on the "kill JA no matter how" bandwagon I'm fair game.

I never said y'all should agree with me. The dp will always be a strong pov discussion and to dismiss my contribution like that - well some of you should know me better by now.

And keep in mind the reverse could be said for those in favor of the dp. If my pov is an angry one, then so are the povs for those in favor of the dp.

[terrier3]

I have written about my friend before...Father Joe. He was a Catholic priest who let two cold, wet teenage boys into the rectory one night. They said they were hungry and had no where to go - but they actually planned to rob him. When Joe went to make them Chinese food, one hit him in the head with the can of chow mein (Fr. Joe was very tall and strong, they had to ambush him.)

They wanted money. Father Joe knew the boys, so when he came to, they told him that they would have to kill him...they said he should say his last prayers, he was going to die soon. They murdered him in a very brutal way (I still cry just thinking about it)...and a few days later murdered an elderly priest before they were caught and brought to justice.

Father Joe's family HATED the kids...who wouldn't? It was a senseless murder. The whole city was up in arms over it. It's been over 25 years ago, but people still remember the case every year.

But Joe's family learned to forgive...his brother finally went to meet with the boys to find out the details. It was excruciating - but I think for them forgiveness was what Father Joe would have wanted...and they came to a place where that was possible. Joe's brother wrote a book about the whole sad experience and came to a sort of peace with it all.

Not every family wants to see the criminal murdered. Forgiveness can sometimes bring just as much peace as the DP does.

Our system, for a very good reason, doesn't let the victim's family decide the fate of the convicted...it is left up to an objective jury. Our justice system isn't fueled by hate, revenge or even ANY emotion - it is supposed to be objective and fair.

[kalikokty]

On 3/19/2015 Cakers1 said:

On 3/18/2015 kalikokty said:

On 3/18/2015 Cakers1 said:

On 3/18/2015 MJ 12 said:

On 3/18/2015 Cakers1 said:

On 3/17/2015 Maryann_R said:

<em>But yet all of these people feel sorry for Jodi</em> for the state seeking the DP for what she did. Where is their compassion for what she did to Travis? The look on his face in the first shower picture said it all. He knew what she was going to do to him, I believe. The look was not one of him posing, but one of fear for his life.

Who in the world ever said that they feel sorry for Jodi????? Just because some of us posters are against the death penalty doesn't mean that we don't recognize the severity of this crime. Apples and oranges.

And I still fail to see the "deception" on the part of this juror - you've all been told time and again with reputable links as to what this juror disclosed.

So Jodi didn't get the death penalty. Big deal - it is what it is. I think some of you are just pullling your hair out for reasons other than feeling justice for Travis.

Agree. Not a single person ever stated she "feels sorry for JA" or has any sympathy for her.

And ITA with everything else you said.

Thank you - and let's not forget the posters who have stated that they hope JA gets killed by other inmates.

Something is seriously wrong with this over reaction to JA - it has gone beyond really caring about "justice for Travis" to wishing JA dead by other hands not tied to the execution of the DP.

Great idea. Something is seriously wrong with the MONSTER JA being given a life sentence. I don't believe that if this crime was committed against family member of yours or anyone else on here who opposes the dp would feel satisfied with the verdict of a life sentence.

A ludicrous statement. First of all, you are expecting posters to imagine a loved one murdered. I myself cannot picture that.

But if one is against the dp, then one is against it. There have been plenty of cases where victim families did not want the dp at all.

Nobody said a word, either, that Travis' family should just forgive her. Forgiving JA isn't based on her sentence; it's based on what the individual feels is best for them.

If they forgive her, fine. If they don't, fine. But imo forgiveness is not based on killing the criminal; it is an internal struggle that should never have a condition attached to it.

I'm really upset that I'm being called angry if somebody doesn't agree with my pov, too. I thought this was an open discussion but I guess unless I jump on the "kill JA no matter how" bandwagon I'm fair game.

I never said y'all should agree with me. The dp will always be a strong pov discussion and to dismiss my contribution like that - well some of you should know me better by now.

And keep in mind the reverse could be said for those in favor of the dp. If my pov is an angry one, then so are the povs for those in favor of the dp.

Ludicrous - LOL! It's reality, which apparently you don't get.

[Free2be]

I'm agreeing with you on this, Cakers.

With all the problems states are having in finding chemicals to put people to death and the horrific suffering caused when it all goes bad, it is time to regroup and rethink what kind of nation we want ours to be.

It's enough that killers with zero chance of rehabilitation are kept away from society for the remainder of their lives. For those who seriously cannot live well without feeling "the kill", perhaps therapy would be warranted.

[scotttie]

On 3/19/2015 Cakers1 said:

On 3/18/2015 kalikokty said:

On 3/18/2015 Cakers1 said:

On 3/18/2015 MJ 12 said:

On 3/18/2015 Cakers1 said:

On 3/17/2015 Maryann_R said:

<em>But yet all of these people feel sorry for Jodi</em> for the state seeking the DP for what she did. Where is their compassion for what she did to Travis? The look on his face in the first shower picture said it all. He knew what she was going to do to him, I believe. The look was not one of him posing, but one of fear for his life.

Who in the world ever said that they feel sorry for Jodi????? Just because some of us posters are against the death penalty doesn't mean that we don't recognize the severity of this crime. Apples and oranges.

And I still fail to see the "deception" on the part of this juror - you've all been told time and again with reputable links as to what this juror disclosed.

So Jodi didn't get the death penalty. Big deal - it is what it is. I think some of you are just pullling your hair out for reasons other than feeling justice for Travis.

Agree. Not a single person ever stated she "feels sorry for JA" or has any sympathy for her.

And ITA with everything else you said.

Thank you - and let's not forget the posters who have stated that they hope JA gets killed by other inmates.

Something is seriously wrong with this over reaction to JA - it has gone beyond really caring about "justice for Travis" to wishing JA dead by other hands not tied to the execution of the DP.

Great idea. Something is seriously wrong with the MONSTER JA being given a life sentence. I don't believe that if this crime was committed against family member of yours or anyone else on here who opposes the dp would feel satisfied with the verdict of a life sentence.

A ludicrous statement. First of all, you are expecting posters to imagine a loved one murdered. I myself cannot picture that.

But if one is against the dp, then one is against it. There have been plenty of cases where victim families did not want the dp at all.

Nobody said a word, either, that Travis' family should just forgive her. Forgiving JA isn't based on her sentence; it's based on what the individual feels is best for them.

If they forgive her, fine. If they don't, fine. But imo forgiveness is not based on killing the criminal; it is an internal struggle that should never have a condition attached to it.

I'm really upset that I'm being called angry if somebody doesn't agree with my pov, too. I thought this was an open discussion but I guess unless I jump on the "kill JA no matter how" bandwagon I'm fair game.

I never said y'all should agree with me. The dp will always be a strong pov discussion and to dismiss my contribution like that - well some of you should know me better by now.

And keep in mind the reverse could be said for those in favor of the dp. If my pov is an angry one, then so are the povs for those in favor of the dp.

I'm sorry Cakers. I cannot find where anyone in your quoted messages said your pov is an angry one?

[KittyLouSoutenu]

On 3/18/2015 beammeupscottie said:

On 3/18/2015 KittyLouSoutenu said:

What does that do to a person? Injecting someone with a lethal dose.

You can't just do that and go home and eat dinner.

Unless you're a cold SOB too.

Jodi went and had secks with another fella right after she butchered Travis. Some people have that disconnect...

So you do think that those who put others to death in prison are adversely affected by it?

Yes, so do I.

I think it's a vicious cycle.

[KittyLouSoutenu]

On 3/18/2015 mstyrion 1 said:

On 3/18/2015 Cakers1 said:

I'm going to express my pov (again) instead of addressing every poster here.

First, I already stated that if somebody is FOR the dp and can defend their position in a mature manner, it won't change how I feel about that poster.

Next, nobody for the dp for JA is addressing how SOME posters, not all, are hoping JA is murdered by other inmates and/or beaten to a pulp. Fact. Those feelings were posted on various JA threads.

And yes, some are freaking out over JA not getting the needle - that is what I mean about pulling their hair over this. For heaven's sake - let's fact it - the JA case started out with the salacious s*x details. And that caused many snickering posts in the early days of JA.

So many gruesome murders take place in this country but JA garnered more attention than was really necessary.

I also believe that SOME, not all, really don't care as much about Travis as they claim - and that is because SOME posts have been about her hair, her clothes, her face - etc. Nothing at all that was germane to the case. It always struck me as catty and self-righteous. And, dare I say it, if JA had been a man and Travis a woman? No such remarks would be made.

Let me tell you why I am against the dp - and don't forget I'm in the drive-through state for dp cases.

It's applied unfairly and unevenly; there is always a doubt (DNA aside today). It is the fact that somewhere a person went wrong. Why, is not for me to say. Yes, we are all responsible for our actions and yes, punishment must be handed out no matter who committed the crime or who the victim was.

Not every dp criminal is a hard-core s.o.b without feelings. But at one time that person was somebody's child; at one time there was potential for that person to be somebody else besides a dp case. Whether that person deliberately chose his/her actions that caused him/her to face the ultimate punishment is moot to me.

It is the end of a life that very well should have been about being what he/she should have been. It is the understanding for those who turned the wrong way in a blink of the eye.

I don't hate JA; I hate what she did. Her life sentence is not going to change my life one way or the other.

I'm sorry Travis was murdered but I also mourn any person who had to pay the ultimate punishment; not because I feel sorry for them or feel that they were treated unjustly but because we, as a society, still fail to help the mentally ill, still believe that the dp will ease all the criminal ills in this country, still have throw away children, and most importantly believe that somehow killing the killer will make it all go away. It never did and it never will.

jmoymmv

I know we don't agree on much, but I just have to tell you this post is powerfully and beautifully written. I agree with every single word you wrote.

Yes, so do I.

[scotttie]

On 3/19/2015 KittyLouSoutenu said:

On 3/18/2015 beammeupscottie said:

On 3/18/2015 KittyLouSoutenu said:

What does that do to a person? Injecting someone with a lethal dose.

You can't just do that and go home and eat dinner.

Unless you're a cold SOB too.

Jodi went and had secks with another fella right after she butchered Travis. Some people have that disconnect...

So you do think that those who put others to death in prison are adversely affected by it?

Yes, so do I.

I think it's a vicious cycle.

That's a good question. I would be interested in reading interviews with executioners on that subject.

I have said I have mixed feelings about the death penalty. I don't think it's a vicious cycle though.