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‎10-29-2014 07:45 PM
On 10/29/2014 kittymomNC said:On 10/29/2014 MomTo2Dogs said:On 10/29/2014 kittymomNC said:I just don't understand why people don't realize what a burden it puts on these people who go over there, have to do and see Lord knows what, and then come back to a 21 day quarantine. I know when I was working, I would have been lucky to be able to take 3 whole weeks of my vacation at one time, let alone have to be out for an additional 3 weeks. I don't know if I would have still had a job.
I'm afraid that this really will deter a lot of people who might otherwise decide to make the sacrifice to go over there and do that work. And although some people say, well, if America doesn't do it, someone else will. Really? America has to lead on this -- otherwise, I don't see this epidemic being contained over there.
Yes, I sad that and it's not true that America has the lead on this kitty. You don't hear what other countries do because you're watching American-based TV and reading American journals/articles. The primary organization involved is MSF which is Belgian. The French and British are very involved. I while back I posted international aid for the Ebola effort and this truly is a worldwide effort.
I didn't realize that, Mom... thanks for the information. I think I may need to widen my horizons some. I knew the French and British are involved, but I didn't realize that the Doctors Without Borders organization is actually Belgian. This is one of the reasons I like coming to the forums, I learn something almost every day, especially from people like you!
Oops, MSF is based in Switzerland. There are 24 "associations" worldwide, one is in Belgium. Sorry for the mistake. We don't see eye to eye on everything but I'm constantly learning from your posts, thanks for that kittymom!
‎10-29-2014 07:50 PM
A representative from DWB stated in an interview yesterday that 10,000 volunteers are needed right now in WA. That is a large number. I hope they get the response they need.
‎10-29-2014 08:02 PM
On 10/29/2014 wookie said:A representative from DWB stated in an interview yesterday that 10,000 volunteers are needed right now in WA. That is a large number. I hope they get the response they need.
From what I'm hearing from former colleagues is a big problem with MSF is that it's very difficult to get accepted. They want prior experience and very few have it. There are other NGOs who are not as restrictive and will accept those with medical backgrounds and no foreign service experience. A friend of mine applied with Save the Children.
http://www.savethechildren.net/jobs
‎10-29-2014 08:04 PM
A showdown looms in Maine over the murky question of whether the state can force a nurse to stay home over Ebola fears. The state was filing for a court order to require Kaci Hickox to remain in quarantine, reports CNN. Hickox, who recently treated Ebola patients in West Africa and was briefly quarantined against her will in New Jersey, thinks the isolation period is unnecessary because she's not sick. She has threatened to leave the house tomorrow, raising the prospect that she will be arrested once she walks out the door. "When it is made clear by an individual in this risk category that they do not intend to voluntarily stay at home for the remaining 21 days, we will immediately seek a court order to ensure that they do not make contact with the public," says Maine's health chief.
It's not clear whether a judge will agree to it, however, reports ABC News. Speaking about Ebola today, President O didn't mention the Hickox case specifically, but he said states have to be careful not to discourage medical professionals from going overseas to help, reports AP. "We can't hermetically seal ourselves off," he said. As for those health-care workers, he likened them to "our military men and women deploying to West Africa," calling them "American heroes" who should be "treated with dignity and with respect." The Pentagon, meanwhile, said all troops who go to West Africa will have to undergo what the Washington Post calls "quarantine-like" monitoring for 21 days upon their return to the US. Which sounds a lot like what Maine is asking of Hickox.
‎10-29-2014 08:19 PM
My concern is the doctor who is in the hospital right now in NYC went all over, bowling, the subway, restaurants... and he was symptom free. And then, he got symptoms within the 21 day time frame. He's in serious condition right now.
There is no assurance that she will stay symptom free. We hope so for her sake and others, but still, what will happen if she makes all these complaints and then gets sick?
I respect her work and all that she is doing, but she should know that there are responsibilities that go along with doing that kind of work. I hope she is healthy and nothing will happen to her.
She would be wise not to file any lawsuits until she is 100% free of any possibility of symptoms or issues.
‎10-29-2014 08:23 PM
I can't say whether this is right or wrong, but these are the procedures used by the Doctors without Borders for returning health care workers.
MSF (Doctors Without Borders) Protocols for Staff Returning fromEbola-Affected Countries
October 23, 2014
Since the beginning of its operations in West Africa in March to combat theEbola outbreak, Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières(MSF) has put in place stringent protocols to protect its staff from exposure to the Ebola virus and to monitor the health of its returning staff.
MSF has specific guidelines and protocols for staff members returning from Ebola assignments. These guidelines govern the 21-day incubation period of the virus (it can take up to 21 days to display symptoms of possible Ebola infection). A fever that develops during the 21-day period may also be due to something other than Ebola, such as the flu. A fever that develops after the 21-day-period is not due to Ebola.
Until today, out of more than 700 expatriate staff deployed so far to West Africa, no MSF staff person has developed confirmed Ebola symptoms after returning to their home country. While some MSF staff members have been exposed in the field, those exposures were detected and the staff members were immediately isolated and treated. Two international staff members have been medically evacuated. They have fully recovered.
MSF pre-identifies health facilities in the United States that can assist and manage the care of our staff members in the event they develop symptoms after their return home. This pre-identification practice is carried out in coordination with the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and departments of health at state and local levels.
Upon returning to the United States, each MSF staff member goes through a thorough debriefing process, during which they are informed of our guidelines.
The guidelines include the following instructions:
1. Check temperature two times per day
2. Finish regular course of malaria prophylaxis (malaria symptoms can mimic Ebola symptoms)
3. Be aware of relevant symptoms, such as fever
4. Stay within four hours of a hospital with isolation facilities
5. Immediately contact the MSF-USA office if any relevant symptoms develop
These guidelines are consistent with those provided by the CDC to people returning from one of the Ebola-affected countries in West Africa. MSF is also implementing new federal guidelines outlining reporting requirements for people returning from Ebola affected countries.
Our colleague in New York followed the MSF protocols and guidelines since returning from West Africa. At the immediate detection of fever on the morning of October 23, 2014, he swiftly notified the MSF office in New York. He did not leave his apartment until paramedics transported him safely to Bellevue Hospital in Manhattan, and he posed no public health threat prior to developing symptoms.
While MSF is not in a position to comment on his medical condition or the care he is receiving, the organization sincerely wishes for his swift and complete recovery.
Steps Doctors Without Borders takes to ensure the health and well being of its staff and the community at large:
If returned staff members do not live within four hours of appropriate medical facilities, MSF will ensure they are accommodated appropriately during the 21-day incubation period.
In the unlikely event that a staff person develops Ebola-like symptoms within the 21-day period, he/she is advised to immediately contact MSF and to refrain from traveling on public transportation. Local health authorities are immediately notified.
As long as a returned staff member does not experience any symptoms, normal life can proceed. Family, friends, and neighbors can be assured that a returned staff person who does not present symptoms is not contagious and does not put them at risk. Self-quarantine is neither warranted nor recommended when a person is not displaying Ebola-like symptoms.
‎10-29-2014 08:27 PM
‎10-29-2014 08:28 PM
On 10/29/2014 DARING GREATLY said:My concern is the doctor who is in the hospital right now in NYC went all over, bowling, the subway, restaurants... and he was symptom free. And then, he got symptoms within the 21 day time frame. He's in serious condition right now.
There is no assurance that she will stay symptom free. We hope so for her sake and others, but still, what will happen if she makes all these complaints and then gets sick?
I respect her work and all that she is doing, but she should know that there are responsibilities that go along with doing that kind of work. I hope she is healthy and nothing will happen to her.
She would be wise not to file any lawsuits until she is 100% free of any possibility of symptoms or issues.
This is what the Doctors Without Borders says about him, i.e., he posed no danger to anyone else prior to developing actual symptoms. And according to all the science, someone would have to have contact with bodily fluids in order to be infected.
Our colleague in New York followed the MSF protocols and guidelines since returning from West Africa. At the immediate detection of fever on the morning of October 23, 2014, he swiftly notified the MSF office in New York. He did not leave his apartment until paramedics transported him safely to Bellevue Hospital in Manhattan, and he posed no public health threat prior to developing symptoms.
‎10-29-2014 08:44 PM
Once again, it does not matter what DWB, or the CDC, or WHO have to say about the quarantines... none of those entities have the power or authority to define or dictate state law. It's as simple as that, really.
‎10-29-2014 08:49 PM
On 10/29/2014 Dam Yankee said:Once again, it does not matter what DWB, or the CDC, or WHO have to say about the quarantines... none of those entities have the power or authority to define or dictate state law. It's as simple as that, really.
And of course they have proven their total lack of preparedness
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