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[swanfeatherz]

"MK-Ultra was a top-secret CIA project in which the agency conducted hundreds of clandestine experiments—sometimes on unwitting U.S. citizens—to assess the potential use of LSD and other drugs for mind control, information gathering and psychological torture. Though Project MK-Ultra lasted from 1953 until about 1973, details of the illicit program didn’t become public until 1975, during a congressional investigation into widespread illegal CIA activities within the United States and around the world."

"Learn more about how a secret government mind control program inadvertently fueled the use of psychoactive drugs in 1960s counterculture circles:"

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history.com/topics/history-of-mk-ultra

 

[x Hedge]

let's see . . .   

Will it be the controversial subject matter, or all the links in your link?

[golding76]

I have written on the topic of MK-Ultra several times on this platform.  In fact, I tried to popularize the movie based on the project's most egregious crime, that of causing Dr. Frank Olson's leap to death in NYC.  The movie is Wormwood.

Here is the link to that forum topic:

https://community.qvc.com/t5/TV-and-Movies/Wormwood-True-Tale-of-U-S-Biowarfare-and-Possible-Murder-...

[Desertdi]

I didn't think the CIA operated INSIDE the United States.....................

[golding76]

They do.  At least they conducted tests and observed results in the 1950s.  

But you have a point. 

The CIA is not permitted legally to collect intelligence concerning the domestic activities of US citizens. Yes, like MI6, it collects intelligence on foreign intelligence agencies and on foreign counterintelligence. A 1981 Executive Order 12333 restricts the CIA from collecting intelligence on US citizens. However, if an individual is communicating with dangerous terrorists in a foreign country that the CIA is monitoring, they can obtain senior approval for domestic surveillance on such Americans. I can't fully say the CIA cannot conduct domestic surveillance on an American inside the U.S. who is suspected of espionage or international terrorist activities.

[Mominohio]

What any entity is 'allowed' to do and what they actually do, can and usually is two totally different things. 

If we have learned anything from history, our government and it's various agencies has done some atrocious things in the past, and is probably doing so now, and will probably do so in the future. 

[Deanie]

This project has been written about by many survivors of MPDs and others such as Cathy O'Brien and Kathleen Sullivan. It is an offshoot of Operation Paperclip whereby Nazi scientists were imported to the US post WW2 for their secrets they had been studying. IE Electro Magnetic Force among others. One of the others being the mind control experiments conducted by Josef Mengele.  It was renamed Operation Monarch, then MK Ulta. Other names are Montauk as they settled in this obscure place on the farthest point of LI sound. That site has now been closed and moved elsewhere???? Too many of their lab experiments were washed up on NJ beaches. All this is declassified information. This started in the 1940s and you are correct @Mominohio  just because something is not legal, does not mean it doesn't happen.

[IamDoodles]

Coast to Coast and Ground Zero with Clyde Lewis frequently discuss this topic.  It sounds unbelieveable but I believe it is true.  Very disturbing

[gardenman]

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@golding76 wrote:

They do.  At least they conducted tests and observed results in the 1950s.  

But you have a point. 

The CIA is not permitted legally to collect intelligence concerning the domestic activities of US citizens. Yes, like MI6, it collects intelligence on foreign intelligence agencies and on foreign counterintelligence. A 1981 Executive Order 12333 restricts the CIA from collecting intelligence on US citizens. However, if an individual is communicating with dangerous terrorists in a foreign country that the CIA is monitoring, they can obtain senior approval for domestic surveillance on such Americans. I can't fully say the CIA cannot conduct domestic surveillance on an American inside the U.S. who is suspected of espionage or international terrorist activities.

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The Five Eyes Alliance is how American intelligence services get around the prohibitions on spying on US citizens in the states. The five members (US, Canada, Great Britain, Australia and New Zealand) share a desk at the NSA. If one of the allies wants intelligence on one of their citizens, they'll simply notify one of the allies who will gather that information and relay it back. We spied on Princess Diana for the Brits and relayed  her conversations with Dodi al Fayed and their activity back to the Brits. You may notice how much a "former" British intelligence officer is being mentioned in the news recently. He was likely part of Five Eyes and acting on behalf of the US intelligence services while a member of the British intelligence services. The Five Eyes alliance lets any of the five countries use an ally to legally (well, semi-legally) spy on their citizens.