Beauty

[HappyDaze]

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@dooBdoo wrote:

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@HappyDaze wrote:

I find it fascinating that we all think the government is involved too much in our lives but then we want them to regulate and warn us about everything. They shouldn't have to save us from ourselves!

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          I agree it's a dilemma.   I've never been a person who fulminates against government regulations nor do I advocate overwhelming government intervention.    I think balance is key...  if we have no oversight, no inspections, investigations, controls, etc., we're going to be in a world of hurt.   The question is...  how much is good, how much is harmful.

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Agree! And it IS a difficult balance and one I'm afraid they will never be able to accomplish to the majority of people's satisfaction. Plus the fact that we give less and less money to them so they don't have enough staff to adequately regulate everything that is currently under regulation, nevermind adding even more to the list!

[dooBdoo]

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@HappyDaze wrote:

Omg @sonechko that is too funny! Does it really say THAT? Lol

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          Here's a link explaining it, and why it's not really funny... warning, however, there's a graphic burn photo (it's one of the less graphic photos, but still a disturbing example of the temperature of the coffee):

"Warning: Another Coffee Cup Maker Thinks Hot Coffee Is a Joke"

http://lawhaha.com/warning-another-coffee-cup-makes-fun-of-hot-coffee/

[ChynnaBlue]

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@HappyDaze wrote:

I find it fascinating that we all think the government is involved too much in our lives but then we want them to regulate and warn us about everything. They shouldn't have to save us from ourselves!

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Regulating cosmetics and vitamins isn't about them saving us from ourselves, it's about saving us from companies who care more about the bottom line than the people. I think that's appropriate.

But if we want that, we need to be ready to pay for it. The FDA can't keep up with the things they already regulate, so they would need a lot more funding to achieve this. That's where people usually decide they don't really want the regulations, when they realize those regulations need to be enforced and enforcements costs money.

[HappyDaze]

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@ChynnaBlue wrote:

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@HappyDaze wrote:

I find it fascinating that we all think the government is involved too much in our lives but then we want them to regulate and warn us about everything. They shouldn't have to save us from ourselves!

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Regulating cosmetics and vitamins isn't about them saving us from ourselves, it's about saving us from companies who care more about the bottom line than the people. I think that's appropriate.

But if we want that, we need to be ready to pay for it. The FDA can't keep up with the things they already regulate, so they would need a lot more funding to achieve this. That's where people usually decide they don't really want the regulations, when they realize those regulations need to be enforced and enforcements costs money.

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@ChynnaBlue I was referring to wanting the FDA to regulate every ingredient someone has a reaction too, not safety issues or concerns. In regards to WEN, as has been stated many times before, there is nothing-and I mean nothing-in WEN that isn't found in a multitude of other shampoos and conditioners so if you were to regulate all those ingredients or ban them, you'd be affecting pretty much every brand out there.

[ChynnaBlue]

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@HappyDaze wrote:

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@ChynnaBlue wrote:

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@HappyDaze wrote:

I find it fascinating that we all think the government is involved too much in our lives but then we want them to regulate and warn us about everything. They shouldn't have to save us from ourselves!

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Regulating cosmetics and vitamins isn't about them saving us from ourselves, it's about saving us from companies who care more about the bottom line than the people. I think that's appropriate.

But if we want that, we need to be ready to pay for it. The FDA can't keep up with the things they already regulate, so they would need a lot more funding to achieve this. That's where people usually decide they don't really want the regulations, when they realize those regulations need to be enforced and enforcements costs money.

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@ChynnaBlue I was referring to wanting the FDA to regulate every ingredient someone has a reaction too, not safety issues or concerns. In regards to WEN, as has been stated many times before, there is nothing-and I mean nothing-in WEN that isn't found in a multitude of other shampoos and conditioners so if you were to regulate all those ingredients or ban them, you'd be affecting pretty much every brand out there.

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Oh, no! That's just plain crazy. 

[sonechko]

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@dooBdoo wrote:

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@HappyDaze wrote:

I find it fascinating that we all think the government is involved too much in our lives but then we want them to regulate and warn us about everything. They shouldn't have to save us from ourselves!

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          I agree it's a dilemma.   I've never been a person who fulminates against government regulations nor do I advocate overwhelming government intervention.    I think balance is key...  if we have no oversight, no inspections, investigations, controls, etc., we're going to be in a world of hurt.   The question is...  how much is good, how much is harmful.

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First and foremost obligation of the federal Government is to protect it's citizens from foreign and internal enemy. The end.

State government to provide schools and put out fires. I know this how? Learned it when studied for a citizenship test moons ago. 

Basically that's it, and that's were it should end.

But - No! Not only government "care" spreads out farther and wider, and into every area of our lives, but to my surprise, some of us - the citizens actually ASK for more of government regulations! Why? Beats me.

Things like this - allegations against WEN products and others, should be decided in a Court of Law and that's where it belongs - for both sides to present the evidence and for the judicial system to decide who is right who is wrong, and for the Court to come up with a Judgement, monetary or criminal.

THIS is what COURTS are for - to DECIDE the cases and arguments between the parties involved!

[Tinkrbl44]

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@HappyDaze wrote:

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@SahmIam wrote:

@Tinkrbl44

Shall I send you copies of everything I sent? No? Ok then. The only person I NEED to prove it to was WEN and Co. and they didn't give a hoot.

Menthol is an issue for me in ANY hair product, I have since found as  well as eucalyptus. I now stay far away from both.

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What did you want them to do for you? You have an allergy to menthol so now you avoid it, which is the logical thing to do. I'm not sure what you wanted the company to do for you beyond acknowledging your allergic reaction? Would you mind sharing what email address you sent the info too? TIA! 

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@HappyDaze   

@BINGO!!! .......   What  @Sahmlam and many others are ignoring is the huge amount of FRAUD that goes on with these types of claims ... it can be around 50% fraudulent, in some cases.    What's a well-meaning company to do? 

People hear about something like this and decide they'll jump on the "I Want Some Money For Nothing" bandwagon.   They will say they lost hair, had rashes, their thumbs fell off ....  etc etc etc.

If all they are submitting is a claim and a photo of "someone's" thinning hair, why should any company believe them?   A visit to a Dermatologist and some validated documentation is too much to ask?   Those are the ones that should be rejected.  

Problem is that MANY things cause hair loss .... and those need to be ruled out.   Some people actually consider this "insulting" but they are the ones asking for money, so if you're not lying, why be insulted? 

Too many moochers out there ... and trying to separate the wheat from the chaff must be an absolute  nightmare!

[Nurse77]

Yes, I've had my hair fall out too. I then stopped using WEN and in the last 4 weeks my hair loss was back to normal. No more glumps of hair in the shower or hair brush. Now my question is what to I do with the unopened bottle of WEN in my closet?

[dooBdoo]

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@Tinkrbl44 wrote:

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@HappyDaze wrote:

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@SahmIam wrote:

@Tinkrbl44

Shall I send you copies of everything I sent? No? Ok then. The only person I NEED to prove it to was WEN and Co. and they didn't give a hoot.

Menthol is an issue for me in ANY hair product, I have since found as  well as eucalyptus. I now stay far away from both.

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What did you want them to do for you? You have an allergy to menthol so now you avoid it, which is the logical thing to do. I'm not sure what you wanted the company to do for you beyond acknowledging your allergic reaction? Would you mind sharing what email address you sent the info too? TIA! 

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@HappyDaze   

@BINGO!!! .......   What  @Sahmlam and many others are ignoring is the huge amount of FRAUD that goes on with these types of claims ... it can be around 50% fraudulent, in some cases.    What's a well-meaning company to do? 

People hear about something like this and decide they'll jump on the "I Want Some Money For Nothing" bandwagon.   They will say they lost hair, had rashes, their thumbs fell off ....  etc etc etc.

If all they are submitting is a claim and a photo of "someone's" thinning hair, why should any company believe them?   A visit to a Dermatologist and some validated documentation is too much to ask?   Those are the ones that should be rejected.  

Problem is that MANY things cause hair loss .... and those need to be ruled out.   Some people actually consider this "insulting" but they are the ones asking for money, so if you're not lying, why be insulted? 

Too many moochers out there ... and trying to separate the wheat from the chaff must be an absolute  nightmare!

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          I agree some claims are fraudulent.   That's sad, and really immoral in my opinion, because it's so dishonest and also because people use those to mock people with legitimate claims.    I'm curious, though, where did you read that possibly 50% of claims are fraudulent?  eta:  Also, I've done some searching and I don't see anything detailing what kind of "proof" was submitted (or not) by those who filed complaints.   It's probably out there, and I've just missed it.

[millieshops]

@sonechkoWe have become a nation addicted to celebrity and emotion.  Facts count for very little it seems.

As for the WEN -  I'm sure there are those who had problems, but anyone who bothered to read the details about the complaints instead of just the headlines might have been able to go on enjoying their WEN as I have.  Apparently, the majority of the complaints center around Sweet Almond Mint.

I did use that once some years back without problem, but I've decided not to test my luck.  I just use other scents successfully.It's been over 7 years now and lots of WEN.  I think I'm safe