Beauty

[dooBdoo]

On 8/22/2014 Haddie said:

On 8/22/2014 dooBdoo said:

I want to repeat part of <em>pitdakota</em>'s comments (Post #39):

". . . Secondly, there have been multiple, large epidemiological studies with subjects all over the globe that have proven there is no association between vaccinations and autism. Those studies have been conducted in the United States, the United Kingdom, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, France, Italy, as well as multiple other countries in South Amercia.

Someone mentioned a conspiracy (it may not have been you). But if one is going to subscribe to the conspiracy theory it would have to be a global conspiracy with multiple countries across the planet. And some of those countries don't agree on anything.

Quite simply, no matter where the research has been conducted in the world, no link between vaccination & autism is supported by those studies.

And the danger in perpetuating this myth is that in the meantime, we are seeing a resurgence of preventable childhood diseases that are sometimes leaving children with lifelong disabilities and in a few cases some children have died . . ."

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Also, because of the allegation in Post #53 about the Amish, I want to add:

It is a myth that the Amish do not vaccinate.

The majority of them, in fact, do vaccinate their children.

And, the allegation about the Japanese:

The Japanese do not wait until their children are 2 years of age.

(see link: http://japanhealthinfo.com/child-health-and-childcare/vaccination/)<br />

These "myths" as you put them were taught in medical seminars for MD's treating autism 10 years ago. If, they are wrong, then it is out dated. I wonder and will look into the level of autism in their community today and when they changed their policy and with the amish (which I doubt) their way of life.

Good morning, Haddie!

I sense that you felt the word “myth” was meant as derogatory, and I certainly didn’t mean it that way. That’s not at all the way I communicate, but I don’t think we’ve posted together before so you wouldn’t know that. If I offended you, I apologize as that wasn’t my intent. My use of the word was in the sense of a “widely held but false belief.”

I didn’t provide a link for my comment about the Amish, because I base this on a dear friend who's been a physician in Lancaster County, PA, for years and does treat a very large Amish population. He considers this an important issue, and has repeatedly told us his group practice finds anywhere from 65% to 80% of the Amish in the area has continued to vaccinate their children. He further has stated that in discussions with epidemiologists he finds this to be their general consensus in other Amish communities, some a bit lower but still in the majority.

I hope that helps clarify.

(eta: It's difficult to get statistical data other than from the physicians who treat them because the Amish generally aren't open to responding to any sort of surveys about their medical care.)

[dooBdoo]

On 8/22/2014 JamicaJammer said:

OMG - beating a dead horse again, are we, OP?

Bottom line - listen closely - If there's a "coverup", why would employees of the FDA, pharma companies, etc. all GET THEIR CHILDREN VACCINATED!?!??!!?

I'll answer that - because vaccines have **********NO ************ correlation to anything except preventing disease.

End of discussion.

Hi, JamicaJammer!

You said that much more succinctly than I did. I agree with you.

[AspenGrove]

On 8/22/2014 JamicaJammer said:

OMG - beating a dead horse again, are we, OP?

Bottom line - listen closely - If there's a "coverup", why would employees of the FDA, pharma companies, etc. all GET THEIR CHILDREN VACCINATED!?!??!!?

I'll answer that - because vaccines have **********NO ************ correlation to anything except preventing disease.

End of discussion.

Agreed! The OP's posting of the conspiracy theorists spewing these ridiculous claims are perfect evidence of why American students can’t compete in science and math (and related jobs) with students from other counties. It shows the appalling lack of understanding of basic science, scientific investigatory processes, critical thinking, as well as the inability to understand that correlation does not imply causation.

[skuggles]

Honestly, it is not known with any certainty, what the cause/causes are for autism. The least that can be done is to stick with reputable scientific sources for information..

Now the National Autism Association believes (believe being the important word) that:

"Vaccinations can trigger or exacerbate autism in some, if not many, children, especially those who are genetically predisposed to immune, autoimmune or inflammatory conditions.

Other environmental exposures may trigger, or exacerbate, autism in certain children, especially those who are genetically predisposed to immune, autoimmune or inflammatory conditions."

Here is a new study:

http://guardianlv.com/2014/08/autism-cause-identification-gives-rise-to-potential-cure-video/

Scientists have possibly uncovered the cause of autism, and in doing so have given rise to a potential cure. Researchers have discovered that children and teenagers with autism have a synapse surplus in the brain, rendering their brain structure different from that of others. The study was published in the most recent edition of the journal Neuron.

Read more at http://guardianlv.com/2014/08/autism-cause-identification-gives-rise-to-potential-cure-video/#3eABqi...

They have not determined the how or why either. Until science can, stay away from disreputable sources, but don't close any chapters yet.They are not finished.

[ManolosandChoos]

The Amish DO have autism, and Down's, and every other syndrome found in the general population...but you never see them. They are camped separate from everyone else. They are well taken care of, but separate and never seen.

[ChynnaBlue]

People posting things like this is why we're seeing old diseases making a comeback. Polio is still around in other parts of the world and it can make a comeback here if people aren't smart.

Posting this is beyond irresponsible. Shame on you.