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Non confrontational discussion Cultural differences

Chatted w Chaz's rep. Tried to explain pressing and curling African American hair. I expressed my appreciation for all Chaz Dean has done to give me strong, long, healthier hair. But, I couldn't for all the world get him to understand how Black women get their hair straight if it is coarser than his models' , harder to maintain a blow out styling without attention to the edges ( it's funny if you know about what is called the kitchen" . It's even funnier if you know about little girls being ridiculed, the subject of playground dozens etc, because their kitchens weren't properly straightened out). ----- hoping someone can help--- using the balms with an EdgeComb and FlatIroning the straight into curl remainder of my hair works wonders, gives me Momma's do. ---- I was hoping he'd come out with a richer product meant to keep edges, kitchen and crown in order between washings. If I wash my hair twice a week I'll be bald in a month. That's how much tugging and twisting and heat , yes heat! Is required. HELP Anyone? And before you ask yes I use the centuries old concoction of Shea butter, jojoba oil purified argan oil and sweet almond oil while blow drying and styling. Of course I use coconut oil in between bc anti microbial, healing, moisturizing properties
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Re: Non confrontational discussion Cultural differences

Hi, gal--I have NO experience with AA hair, but I did run into a curly hair blog the other night. I imagine it is one of many. Actually, I have to perm my curls in!!!

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Re: Non confrontational discussion Cultural differences

Aren't Carol's Daughter products for AA hair?
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I have no experience with that, aside from Chris Rock's Good Hair, but my wavy/curly hair and I spend a lot of time on both Naturallycurly dot com and CurlyNikki dot com. (They're all part of the same media company run by and for curly girls.) Naturally Curly has a forums section called Curl Talk, and I suggest you ask there - they have women of all hair types and textures and you should get some good advice from people who know what's up with the kitchen. CurlyNikki has no forum section, but there are comments on the blog posts. Nikki is a woman of color and specializes in kinky and coily hair types. I get a lot of good information from both sites. They're generally about wearing hair naturally curly, but I'm sure you could also get information about straightening hair.

I hope that helps.

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Have you considered getting a flattering haircut and letting your hair go natural? I have curly hair and gave up on trying to straighten it when I was 16. I was so neurotic that once I'd kind of straightened it, I would put it all under a hat when the air was humid so that it wouldn't blow up again. I think people should work with the hair they have because it is easier and less stress on the hair. However, I knew someone for 20 years and thought she had straight hair. It turns out she'd straighten it every morning. I NEVER saw her hair with a curl in it. Wow! That's dedication.

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did wen offer his guarantee that his line would work on all hair ???

Anyway if not I agree I adore Carols Daughter at H

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On 10/9/2014 moonchilde said: Aren't Carol's Daughter products for AA hair?

The creator is AA but they work for most people. I am non-AA, have curly blonde hair and I use her products. They're excellent for frizz problems.

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I'm sure you meant to be helpful but I'm over sixty years old and have been from pigtails to pressed hair when Mom did it to Afro through sixties and seventies, permed hair for the profession I chose for over 20 years. two years ago, sick of it all, even though I can finally afford the best brands , I cut all the permed hair off. ALL of it. But I had to go 20 years back in time and farther to first remember what worked, the disasters, the processes. I remembered what Mom did and began anew with my chemical free hair. What I do know I know with certainty. Pure , filtered, decontaminated natural shea butter, cocoa butter, argan oil, jojoba oil. Vinegar rinses after a real shampoo. twisting, braiding, flat ironing, hot combing/curling. Thank you for mentioning Carol's Daughter I think she altered her original products to suit a larger consumer base. What I need is not there anymore. Thank you all for reading and responding. I do so wish we could have empathy for each one's journey, consideration for each life's experiences. Perhaps someday? ps------ My natural hair is down to between my shoulder blades when braided not. WEN i think is a part of the process but the old ways are THE answer.

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Watched several videos on WebMD and similar sites. Thought I'd share an important finding that partially explains why WEN works for a variety of types of AA hair. 1. Natural oils of course supply essential amino acids and moisture but it is because it sinks into the shaft that any oil works. 2 products with silicone are sworn by by some users but they are counterproductive bc they lock out the good oils and in the end make hair more fragile, subject to breakage. 3 because of the composition of the CCs they penetrate but for each of us there might be a particular herb or additive that is all wrong for the individual. 4 as most of us know, products with alcohol, astringents ( except coconut oil and grape seed oil) fray the hair throughout its length. Washing is recommended every 10- 14 days if using shampoo 5. Only a conditioning shampoo is recommended. 6 heat protectors essential, 7 evenly straightening hair with hair dryer or iron at moderate temp important. Just sharing. Can't get to name of contributor, but I want to thank you for references. I decided to start in my own profession's offerings. Didn't think there'd be anything of value but in the little time I've been looking I found much, often conflicting, but present and potentially beneficial info Good Bye All
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Have you tried Mixed Chicks? I know a few people (men & women) that have had great results.