Beauty

[suzyQ3]

On 4/13/2014 tigriss said:

On 4/12/2014 suzyQ3 said:

Sorry. Have to disagree about the raw milk issue. I am in favor of the regulations.

ETA: Of course, this has nothing to do with the the Humane Cosmetics Act.

That is why you only buy after you see their operation. Commercially produced milk is very tainted with all kinds of things, thus you need the sterilization of the process. My cousin thoroughly cleans his udders and maintains a very sterile operation. Most farms that sell raw milk do so under very clean conditions. I have family that have dairies and they wouldn't drink their milk until it is processed because they are commercial for high output and know why we need the sterilization process. Small farmers don't have the contamination that commercial farms do. Small farming is a much better and caring process that commercial farming. In commercial farming, of any kind, is made for money not care and love!

tigriss, I appreciate your point of view. I really do. I just have a different one.

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On 4/13/2014 pridequeen said:

On 4/12/2014 ChrisO said:

On 4/12/2014 jbnh said:

I don't know about everyone else but I have sensitive skin and I end up doing a lot of research on ingredients in products. It sure would be nice if I could eliminate having to also check to see if they do animal testing too as I won't knowingly buy from those that do. I don't judge anyone who does, its just for me personally I can't.

Add me to the "thank you" list! Appreciate the info. - and my experiences and feelings are very similar to yours. Many thanks again!

I, as well, abhor the thought of what is done to animals whether it be testing for cosmetics or medical reasons, however for the OP and others who have sensitive skin, I do hope you are aware that without any prior testing, you will be the guinea pig for anything new that some company wants to market. You then may end up putting some new undiscovered plant, bacteria, fungus, snail slime or whatever on your skin and have a horrible reaction to it. That is the downside of no animal testing. I wished we lived in a world that was pristine and all our waters, soil and earth were entirely free of harmful pollutants so that we could go out in the woods, pick a plant and use its properties like our ancestors did without fear of all the irritants humans have polluted the planet with.

I think I live in the wrong times. did you know that the thistle plant was one of the very earliest plants humans used as hairbrushes? Everytime I see those plants in the fall when they are dried, I touch it and see how those dried, sharp bristles could be used to comb through hair. I used to experiment with plants and herbs I picked in the woods when my kids were very young as even 30 years ago I was seeking clean alternatives to what we could buy. I made a batch of soap out of a plant called soapwort which I bought in an herbal store. My family used to call me a "witch doctor" because I experimented with so many plants. However, I did read about them first so I did not pick something that was poisonous and harmful. But that would be the downside to no testing. Eventually someone would be poisoned by a newly found species.

I agree...it is a frustrating situation. However, I discovered long ago that I had skin that seemed more sensitive than others only through reactions that occurred while using many products that had been tested on animals. (I am old)

As my awareness grew, I have made efforts to educate myself whenever possible (it is so overwhelming...and there are so many ways for companies to get around being listed as testing on animals...and some companies that would not test to sell in the USA need to do so to be able to sell in other countries it seems...so confusing...*sigh*) So, even with the testing and approved products (though I am not sure that "approved" is really the correct word as I don't believe even the FDA could monitor all the products produced...even if required to do so), I learned to limit products, do a patch test on myself and monitor reactions carefully - esp. with new products. This is the only true test for my skin, and I am happy to do so for skin care products that I am purchasing as optional/additional/vanity products. (And I am only "speaking" for me.)

I know there are many, many (many!!!) who are much more wise and better educated on this subject than I, but there are many companies that seem to have been able to figure out alternative ways to test their products with great success. I use some wonderful ones. So I like to support and encourage efforts to help more companies develop an alternative approach. (And there have been many ingredients that were first animal-tested and declared "safe" - only to be pulled...so this cruelty can prove to not only be unnecssary, but also counter-productive. I often wonder what we are ingesting today that will be found dangerous in the future...)

So, my concern for how we treat other living beings, combined with my own negative experiences with products that had been tested on animals and my hope for a more compassionate world (geez...I sound so Pollyanna, sorry! ) make me continue to look for cruelty-free products and to continue to use myself as the one tested for vanity products.

Again, only my thoughts and experiences and I really do value those of others...just didn't want anyone to think that I was speaking without any personal experiences and some knowledge.