Matt Lauerer looks disheveled - Page 4

bmorechick · ‎03-11-2010

I too agree Sooner...I don’t want to blame these women however, if you are being constantly harrassed or belittled in your workplace, which is what this was, how do you let that go on? Money? Job? Your future fame? Come on these were famous men who stood to lose everything - not the other way around.

I was harrassed by a boss when I started working in an office. My very first job, I was 18. Now, I was very naieve, but I knew what he was doing was so wrong. I had had it when at an office Christmas party (back in the 70s) he cornered me in a back room and well...pounced on me. I told him to get the **** off of me, that he was a creep and a loser and if he didn’t leave me alone I was telling the agency director. He told me go ahead, I will make sure you don’t work here anymore. I told him I did not care. He laughed and stepped aside. That afternoon, I reported everything to the director, the flirting, the comments and what happened that day. Mind you this was 1975- that behavior was commonplace. The director apologized for him, asked me if I was OK, and that he would talk to him. That satisfied me but I did let the director know I was letting my parents know about it. Back then, that made a difference.

We both continued to work there, but boy he stayed away from me and I flaunted that victory. I had the upper hand at 18. My parents were way ahead of their time with this type of behavior, growing up in the inner city. I was always, always told, tell it and I told it. Just do not understand...they all should have told it...no excuses.

Sooner · ‎03-10-2010

@Reever wrote:
@Sooner wrote:
Let me throw out this question: IF a woman wears very revealing and provocative clothing to the office, could a male who worked for her say he was being sexually harassed?

I presume the woman in question is his boss. Only if her ACTIONS are construed as sexual harrasment could she be accused of sexual harrasment. Wearing an outfit is not harrasment. But can women be sexual harassers ? Absolutely. Ive witnessed it myself. But your premise as described above is not sexual harrasment.

common sense seems to be an endangered species. If someone speaks up and says "that makes me uncomfortable", if the perpetrator does it again it becomes harrasment. We are all guilty of saying or doing something that is inappropriate. We are human, but if a pattern emerges and someone continues to say lewd jokes I feel it is harrasment.

@Reever Wearing a provocative outfit isn't harassment, but a joke might be? I'm just trying to clarify here.

chrystaltree · ‎05-10-2010

He's still a millionaire many, many times over. He's not on tv anymore and doesn't have to look good for the tv audience. I'm sure he looks like any 60 year old retired guy rushing from place to place in the middle of an arctic freeze. His kids will be fine, it's not like he died and they'll never see him again. He'll have visitation, perhaps even shared custody. He isn't working, he'll have more time to spend with them.

qbetzforreal · ‎08-28-2010

@Sooner wrote:
@Reever wrote:
@Sooner wrote:
Let me throw out this question: IF a woman wears very revealing and provocative clothing to the office, could a male who worked for her say he was being sexually harassed?

I presume the woman in question is his boss. Only if her ACTIONS are construed as sexual harrasment could she be accused of sexual harrasment. Wearing an outfit is not harrasment. But can women be sexual harassers ? Absolutely. Ive witnessed it myself. But your premise as described above is not sexual harrasment.

common sense seems to be an endangered species. If someone speaks up and says "that makes me uncomfortable", if the perpetrator does it again it becomes harrasment. We are all guilty of saying or doing something that is inappropriate. We are human, but if a pattern emerges and someone continues to say lewd jokes I feel it is harrasment.
@Reever Wearing a provocative outfit isn't harassment, but a joke might be? I'm just trying to clarify here.

Correct.

jewel3 · ‎03-13-2010

I think it is awesome that the Today Show ratings are highest in their time slot now that Matt is gone. Maybe women like to watch women better in the morning. I certainly do.

chrystaltree · ‎05-10-2010

@Kachina624 wrote:
Many corporations have annual sexual harrassment training for all employees. If an employee construes an
action as being sexual harrassmrent, then it is. This doesn't mean the accused will be fired but at the least, he or she will be warned. Most business would not allow the kissy face hugging that goes on at QVC. It's just a matter of time before a complaint is filed. This is one company that's really behind the times.

You couldn't be more wrong. I assume you have heard about such classes but they aren't what you think they are. They are short, usually about 20 minutes and they cover things like not using profanity in the office, not commenting on anyone's physical appearance, not looking at porn on office computers, not telling dirty jokes. A woman who makes a complaint cannot do it anonymously and since it's almost always a case of "he said, she said" and the woman has no proof and no witnesses; most women do not pursue the complaint and NO action and NO discussion is held with the man because a complaint is just a complaint. Generally, if the woman chooses not to move foward and isn't comfortable working near or with the man; SHE is reassigned to job at the same level and pay. The reassignment is supposed to be confidential but everyone knows why and she often ends up being cold shouldered by the men in that new department because they don't want to be accused of doing something they didn't do and she "has a history of making accusations". Don't confuse real work situations with Hollywood or Congress. In the real world women aren't children; a smart woman can pick up on a lecherous scuzz bag pretty early in the game and we know how to protect ourselves. And we share that information with other women, especially young women. "If you meet with John in his office, tell his secretary and she'll pop in from time to time". "If you neet with Jack, have his admin assist set it up in the glass walled conference room". "If you meet with Dave, take your intern with you and tell him it's part of her training". There are a hundred ways a woman can protect herself and her career so that she never has to use that harrassment reporting thing which can only make things worse for her. That's why all the stuff in the news about the rich and famous is just so much garbage for the average woman and will change nothing for us. They get all the press and attention and no attention at all is paid to real women in real situations.

Kachina624 · ‎03-10-2010

@qbetzforreal wrote:
@Sooner wrote:
@Reever wrote:
@Sooner wrote:
Let me throw out this question: IF a woman wears very revealing and provocative clothing to the office, could a male who worked for her say he was being sexually harassed?

I presume the woman in question is his boss. Only if her ACTIONS are construed as sexual harrasment could she be accused of sexual harrasment. Wearing an outfit is not harrasment. But can women be sexual harassers ? Absolutely. Ive witnessed it myself. But your premise as described above is not sexual harrasment.

common sense seems to be an endangered species. If someone speaks up and says "that makes me uncomfortable", if the perpetrator does it again it becomes harrasment. We are all guilty of saying or doing something that is inappropriate. We are human, but if a pattern emerges and someone continues to say lewd jokes I feel it is harrasment.
@Reever Wearing a provocative outfit isn't harassment, but a joke might be? I'm just trying to clarify here.
Correct.

@qbetzforreal. Wearing provocative clothing, flirting, joking, comments, etc. by either male or female can creatate a hostile enviroment which must be corrected by the employer if an investigation finds complaints to be valid.

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Kachina624 · ‎03-10-2010

@chrystaltree. Sorry but I am not wrong. I worked for 32 years for an agency the took workplace complaints that were forwarded to federal and state agencies for investigation. We took all discrimination complaints very seriously, and I assure you the training was no joke. You apparently had the opposite experience and your employer didn't take this seriously. They usually change their mind once the first complaint hits the fan. Your ignorance on the subject reflects the quality of your orientation.

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chiclet · ‎03-19-2010

I cannot understand a person risking a job where you are as overpaid as he was and your family for any reason.

Sooner · ‎03-10-2010

@millieshops wrote:
@MarkeieMark I don't see the slightest comparison between the two. Curry could go with her head held high. She lost a job because her skills were not appropriate for that particular job - after years and years of being a TODAY fan, when Curry was on, I often watched elsewhere. But Lauer - he lost because he crossed moral boundaries - way different "sins." His recovery, if he can even do it, will be long and arduous.

By the way - Curry was featured in a recent Parade article - she's starting a new PBS series in January. I didn't save the details just because she makes me nervous, but the pictures of Curry were lovely. She's 61 - and looks younger than when she was on NBC. I hope her fans support her.

@millieshops@ @MarkeieMark

I never did like to watch Ann Curry. I would get so frustrated with her because she would ask someone a question and keep talking and talking leaving them little to say and little time to answer. I think she was one of the reporters who inserted herself into the story more than letting the interview subect speak. She did so much with tone of voice that expressed an opinion without saying it and drew attention to herself.

So for me, she is basically unwatchable. I thought Matt was better with an interview, but I guess pretty stupid.