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[Buffalogal47]

@decaf The purpose of any vaccine is to keep you from getting the disease or lessening its severity. If people are vaccinated against this virus, then you have to believe that it will work. So, even if you're exposed, you either won't get sick, or if you do, it will be a very mild case, no worse than the common cold, which, in case you didn't know, is also caused by a corona virus. Otherwise, what's the sense of getting the vaccine? 

[CrazyDaisy]

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@decaf wrote:

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@eadu4 wrote:

@decaf  Respectfully there is no "law" that states you have to wear a mask.  There were "emergency mandates" but no one got arrested for not wearing a mask. They might have gotten arrested for fighting with someone about it, but no one was arrested for just not wearing a mask.    Secondly how would you know if you got covid with the vaccine?  It is specifically designed to lower the symptoms to little (which could be attributed to allergies, or a cold) to completely asymptomatic.   Millions who got the shot could very well have contracted covid and had little to zero symptoms which would mean you would never know how many got it while vaccinated.   Just like all those millions of millions of people that had it and now have antibodies.  We will never know the exact total since a huge amount were most likely asymptomatic to very little symptoms.  And doctors and nurses wear them in surgery, and during invasive procedures, not for general appointments.  Before Covid most medical personal did not wear them for just doctor check ups, or even your hospital visits (for broken bones, sprains etc..non-invasive surgical procedures).they were not worn.  

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@eadu4  FYI, Here you go,  Sixteen states and DC require masks by LAW if you're unvaccinated. https://www.aarp.org/health/healthy-living/info-2020/states-mask-mandates-coronavirus.html . 

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Laws require legislative action which usually includes waiting periods before they become "laws".  Executive mandates and health emergencies were the basis for most mask mandates.  These mandates have very few, if any, consequences if not followed by individuals.  Which is why businesses had to carry the brunt of the inforcement.

[Buffalogal47]

@decaf : One more time: masks do not protect the wearer.. The protect others from the wearer. Surgeons and O.R. staff wear masks to protect the patient, not to protect themselves. 

[eadu4]

@spiderw  What is the difference between the un-vaccinated and those with the antibodies?  Nothing.  Your vaccine only protects you from the most severe symptoms, same as those with the antibodies.  You can still get it and actually now you most likely won't know you have it since you will have little to no symptoms.  All these mask/maskless, vaccine/no vaccine forget a huge segement of the population that had it and have the antibodies which they finding last longer for protection than the vaccines.  They truly believe a huge portion of the population got it and never knew or chalked up their sypmptoms to allergies or a minor cold and unless specifically tested will never know.  For those that fall in the most "vulnerable" to the severest of symptoms then the masks should still be worn, but if you are healthy and comfortable, going maskless should not be a problem.  Unless a place requires it, it has now come down to it being a personal choice.  And either way is just fine.   

     And for the record, I got one shot wound up with a reaction, and cannot get another per my doctor.  and I am quite fine without my mask.  

[tiny 2]

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@Shanus wrote:

I was shocked since NC dropped the mask mandate awhile ago and how do we/they know who's vaccinated or not? It may come to carrying a card of proof to be allowed even in stores not masked. 

If someone is not vaccinated and chooses to not wear a mask, not my problem. What IS my issue is that it is making it necessary for me to remain masked in some areas.

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@Shanus 

It has not been many weeks. The mask mandate in NC was lifted on May 14th @1:30 pm so 2 weeks and 4 days. I imagine that most places(stores) will drop the requirement but there is still a list that masks are still required. (camps, health facilities etc.)

[eadu4]

@CrazyDaisy Exactly!  Also DC lifted their mandate Monday as did a few other states.  The numbers no longer support the need for an emergency mandate in many places which is why they were lifted.  If the numbers in anyway looked sketchy these mandates would never have been lifted.  It's now, just look for the sign before entering just like, no shoes, no shirt no service.  If it isn't posted a mask is required, it's ok to go maskless since they understand the whole section of population that have the antibodies and don't need the vaccine due to an 11 month study showing better protection with the antibodies.  So, I believe we are at the point of if you feel you need it, put a mask on, if not, go maskless.  I understand it's scary to some but it's where we are at.  There is science fact of a definite line between who was the most vulnerable through this and who was at little to zero risk of any severe complications of this virus.  And as we have seen in these threads some people just don't want to believe that no matter what that statistics show.  They want to type "but science" over and over and yet totally ignore the stats. 

[spiderw]

eadu4

You are entitled to your opinions and beliefs and so am  I don't have the level of trust in others as you may or may not.  From all that I have heard, seen and witnessed, I will move forward trusting myself, my common sense, my intelligence.

I will continue to do what makes me feel safe and stick by what I believe.  I understand people who reacted to the vaccine, I have two close friends, one who had one vaccine but her health issues prevent a second and another close friend who reacts to shots because of her health issues and cannot be vaccinated. Thanks for your comments and enjoy the day.

[decaf]

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@Buffalogal47 wrote:

@decaf The purpose of any vaccine is to keep you from getting the disease or lessening its severity. If people are vaccinated against this virus, then you have to believe that it will work. So, even if you're exposed, you either won't get sick, or if you do, it will be a very mild case, no worse than the common cold, which, in case you didn't know, is also caused by a corona virus. Otherwise, what's the sense of getting the vaccine? 

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@Buffalogal47  Thank you, but, what exactly did I say that caused you to think I needed education about this?

[decaf]

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@Buffalogal47 wrote:

@decaf : One more time: masks do not protect the wearer.. The protect others from the wearer. Surgeons and O.R. staff wear masks to protect the patient, not to protect themselves. 

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@Buffalogal47  Actually, you are wrong and  THE CDC disgrees with you.. See their first statement under "What You Need To Know"  HTH 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html

[Imaoldhippie]

@decaf ........CDC has been telling the world that masks do not keep you from getting anything, Covid included.  However, if you chose to believe it that is your prerogative.