Among Friends

[CalminHeart]

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@conlt wrote:

In 2019, I was on FMLA for 1 month because my mother was dying. I was her caregiver. When I returned to work after her death, I got written up by my boss. I had been at the company x 38 years with no issues. I rebutted part of the write up because he was trying to make me commit Medicare Fraud. I notified compliance and 8 weeks after my mother died, I got fired from my job.

Those 2 losses together almost killed me. I became depressed. I found a new job but with a big pay and benefit cut. I had to start over at 61 years old.

I sued the company for wrongful termination. The FMLA leave and my Whistleblowing put me into a protected class. We had a strong case for wrongful termination. My case ended favorably for me in November of 2023.

Just recently, I heard that my ex boss and his co-conspirator both had their jobs eliminated. It did cross my mind that they got what they deserve but I pray for their salvation. I would not want to be like those hateful people and meet my maker. 

I am Catholic and went to confession because I had thoughts about them deserving it. I know how it feels except I got no severance pay and he tried to fight my unemployment benefit 

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I can relate. I had a knee replacement at age 61 and got written up when I returned from short term leave because I was gone so long - 5 weeks! The HR Disability dept had ok'd 6 weeks. I was an officer and had been with that corporation for nearly 40 years with a spotless record.

I put in my time and retired on my 62nd birthday. Best decision I ever made. 

Karma.  The boss that was so wicked to me was fired and is now a peon at another company...and no one reports to her. At least she can't hurt others like she did me.

[Group 5 minus 1]

I thought FML was the law. I wonder why this firing took place.

[lgfan]

"Now as a man is like this or like that,
according as he acts and according as he behaves, so will he be;
a man of good acts will become good, a man of bad acts, bad;
he becomes pure by pure deeds, bad by bad deeds;

And here they say that a person consists of desires,
and as is his desire, so is his will;
and as is his will, so is his deed;
and whatever deed he does, that he will reap."

[lgfan]

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@Luv2Dnce wrote:

First of all, I'm sorry that you had to deal with that. I have and I'm sure as so many others had to deal with people who are just miserable and want to take it out on the world. Although, despite of how difficult it was or could be, I Believe that it makes you stronger and more resilient because good always wins.

To be honest, I have found some people periodically in these forums to be incredibly negative, make nasty comments to other Community members. These forums are supposed to be informative and for the most part fun. I guess you can categorize them as bullies as well and just hope and pray that they realize what kind of people they turned out to be.  Life is short and we should enjoy the ride.

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I agree with you.  Some people just cannot respond to a comment without the need to insult other posters.

[Cakers3]

@lgfan posted:
Now as a man is like this or like that,
according as he acts and according as he behaves, so will he be;
a man of good acts will become good, a man of bad acts, bad;
he becomes pure by pure deeds, bad by bad deeds;

And here they say that a person consists of desires,
and as is his desire, so is his will;
and as is his will, so is his deed;
and whatever deed he does, that he will reap.


First, you are quoting from Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, one of the oldest scriptures in Hinduism. The quote is verse 4.4.5.

It is not just deeds but also thoughts; a "bad person" is capable of also performing good deeds, thoughts.

The person is altered on a spiritual and psychological level.

Karma, again, is not about reward and punishment. It isn't about houses burning down, or as you said, a woman not aging well.🙄

Folks need to understand that yes, good or bad can construct how a person is viewed but through the belief of no-death (Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism e.g.)
your next journey will be one of goodness or sadness..

The intention of thought/deed also factors in the making of the person, if you will.

If one goes deeper into the ancient texts you will find the Karma is not what people think; and posts are tinged with "got what he/she deserved".

If you are not in touch with spirituality, and I do not mean in a religious sense, you will continually believe something negative happened because a person sent out bad Karma.

The ancient texts are not just about a few quotes to suit a purpose here.

Expressing "Karma will get him/her" is sowing negative seeds in ones own mind which will factor in ones own makeup. Nobody goes through life perfect
but expecting and pointing out the bad in others is just the same because it's a THOUGHT not just a deed.

The ancient texts get picked and chosen to shore up one's own misconceptions.

It is not being nasty to other posters. It's simply respect for alternative philosophies.

[lgfan]

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@Cakers3 wrote:
@lgfanposted:
Now as a man is like this or like that,
according as he acts and according as he behaves, so will he be;
a man of good acts will become good, a man of bad acts, bad;
he becomes pure by pure deeds, bad by bad deeds;

And here they say that a person consists of desires,
and as is his desire, so is his will;
and as is his will, so is his deed;
and whatever deed he does, that he will reap.


First, you are quoting from Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, one of the oldest scriptures in Hinduism. The quote is verse 4.4.5.

It is not just deeds but also thoughts; a "bad person" is capable of also performing good deeds, thoughts.

The person is altered on a spiritual and psychological level.

Karma, again, is not about reward and punishment. It isn't about houses burning down, or as you said, a woman not aging well.🙄

Folks need to understand that yes, good or bad can construct how a person is viewed but through the belief of no-death (Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism e.g.)
your next journey will be one of goodness or sadness..

The intention of thought/deed also factors in the making of the person, if you will.

If one goes deeper into the ancient texts you will find the Karma is not what people think; and posts are tinged with "got what he/she deserved".

If you are not in touch with spirituality, and I do not mean in a religious sense, you will continually believe something negative happened because a person sent out bad Karma.

The ancient texts are not just about a few quotes to suit a purpose here.

Expressing "Karma will get him/her" is sowing negative seeds in ones own mind which will factor in ones own makeup. Nobody goes through life perfect
but expecting and pointing out the bad in others is just the same because it's a THOUGHT not just a deed.

The ancient texts get picked and chosen to shore up one's own misconceptions.

It is not being nasty to other posters. It's simply respect for alternative philosophies.

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I stand by my original posts.  I do respect alternative philosophies.  I can do that and not be nasty to other posters.

[Cakers3]

@Puzzle Piece

If people were pleased the mean girl's house burned down then what does that say about them? To take delight in the tragedy of another is a negative thought which definitely defines part of them.

Who knows if that person changed? Who knows what her own internal struggles were? I'm not making excuses but we all have had negative thoughts and perhaps even actions.

The focus was on that one person and not on the others who also lost homes.

We are all connected, like it or not.

[CalminHeart]

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@Cakers3 wrote:
@lgfanposted:

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JMO, I think it's pretty simple - people reap what they sow. There are good or bad consequences for everything people do. It can take time for those outcomes to connect with the offender. 

[willowbark]

I  have read all the posts in this thread and my feeling is when we are the recipient of something that hurts us, hurts our family and affects us financially, why then is the standard for a victim to be on a higher plane of consciousness in dealing with it. 

Why must the victim stop and ponder what was going through the mind of the perp, their deepest darkest thoughts including their homelife and anything else that led them to their unseemly behavior that adversely affected the victim.

The fact of the matter is, it's not the responsibility of the victim.  What is the responsibility of the victim is to heal, to get better emotionally, financially etc and if that turns out to be an old fashioned way of turning their pain into a supposed archaic definition of karma....so be it.  

[conlt]

@Group 5 minus 1  FMLA is the law and in my case they said my firing was for other causes. However, in court, it was evident by emails that my boss was attempting to fire me because I was out of work. 

Companies do such stupid things sometimes. It was evident to me that my boss did not understand FMLA. 

They had to pay me out in the end. I settled with the company, but it took 4 years and a lot of hard work and anguish with the feelings of losing my mother and my over 30 year career at the same time. I almost did not survive that depression. I just did not care if I lived or died at the time. Now I am OK, 

Going through the court case and depostitions was a great healing process for me. I loved my lawyer. That guy worked so hard and was a tireless advocate for me. He was angry at what they did to me. It was great seeing my old bosses under the microscope being caught in lies.

So the bottom line is no company is going to admit that they fired you for taking FMLA, they will lie. It is up to the plaintiff to prove the reason they said they fired me for was false and the real reason was the FMLA and Whistleblower. 

I need to have a paper trail. I had 1. Always put requests in writing. If you get in trouble at work, write a follow-up email recording the events and take a copy home with you or a screen shot

Many people walk away and don't fight. I was not going to let them get away with that. 

A mistake I made is that I called Compliance on him. I should have emailed Compliance and kept that record. However, the Complaince Officer took notes on my call and in discovery, we were able to get those notes. 

I also took a copy of my HR file. (I was in charge and had access to it)

Funny, there were items added to my HR file after I filed suit.