2 yr old pulled into the water by alligator - Page 6

Moonchilde · ‎05-23-2010

@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@itiswhatitis wrote:
@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@CouponQueen wrote:
Yes as parents we all make mistakes..but as parents it is up to US to pay attention to our surroundings. They are on vacation...but why would they let a 2 year old wade in the water - especially when the sign states NO Swimming..they are from the US..they know what No Swimming means..you do not go in the water!! So due to their lack of common sense they lost their child, this two year old tragically lost his life and goodness knows what his last minutes were like.. Parents..PAY ATTENTION to your surroundings!

This is what a witness stated:

Declan Salcido, who's on vacation with relatives from San Jose, California, said the "No Swimming" signs are visible "from any vantage point."
The lagoon is not for recreational swimming.
"This is Florida, and it's not uncommon for alligators to be in bodies of water," Demings said.

@CouponQueen

ITA ..... Alligators are EVERYWHERE in Florida ..... millions of them. If a beach says NO SWIMMING, then parents can't ignore their obligations just because they are on vacation! They need to watch their kids!

Anyone want to bet how long it will be before the parents sue Disney for a wrongful death? Of course they will blame Disney! JMO
Yes, they are likely going to sue. They have every right to do so.
@itiswhatitis

Yes, they have the "right" to sue, but the reason that kid is gone is parental neglect.

What part of signs that say NO SWIMMING don't people understand? Must everything be spelled out?

No Swimming means No Swimming.

The child wasn't swimming, which denotes having one's *body* in the water. Getting one's feet and hands wet is not swimming. The signs said No Swimming, they didn't say No Wading, Don't Touch the Water or Don't Go Near the Water - Danger.

Life without Mexican food is no life at all

eddyandme · ‎09-24-2011

@itiswhatitis wrote:
@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@CouponQueen wrote:
Yes as parents we all make mistakes..but as parents it is up to US to pay attention to our surroundings. They are on vacation...but why would they let a 2 year old wade in the water - especially when the sign states NO Swimming..they are from the US..they know what No Swimming means..you do not go in the water!! So due to their lack of common sense they lost their child, this two year old tragically lost his life and goodness knows what his last minutes were like.. Parents..PAY ATTENTION to your surroundings!

This is what a witness stated:

Declan Salcido, who's on vacation with relatives from San Jose, California, said the "No Swimming" signs are visible "from any vantage point."
The lagoon is not for recreational swimming.
"This is Florida, and it's not uncommon for alligators to be in bodies of water," Demings said.

@CouponQueen

ITA ..... Alligators are EVERYWHERE in Florida ..... millions of them. If a beach says NO SWIMMING, then parents can't ignore their obligations just because they are on vacation! They need to watch their kids!

Anyone want to bet how long it will be before the parents sue Disney for a wrongful death? Of course they will blame Disney! JMO
Yes, they are likely going to sue. They have every right to do so.

@itiswhatitis

They'll sue - sure the ambulance chasers are lining up right now. They have the right to sue 'cause anybody can sue anyone. WDW had proper signage - NO SWIMMING. However, nowadays, lots of people don't follow rules. Will they win in a court of law - imo, probably not. But, WDW will give them a very substantial settlement for not going to court to avoid additional bad p.r.. Sadly, no amount of compensation will bring back their baby: the real tragedy here is a child died needlessly and the family will be living with the sadness of "if only" and heatache for the rest of their lives.

itiswhatitis · ‎05-27-2016

@eddyandme wrote:
@itiswhatitis wrote:
@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@CouponQueen wrote:
Yes as parents we all make mistakes..but as parents it is up to US to pay attention to our surroundings. They are on vacation...but why would they let a 2 year old wade in the water - especially when the sign states NO Swimming..they are from the US..they know what No Swimming means..you do not go in the water!! So due to their lack of common sense they lost their child, this two year old tragically lost his life and goodness knows what his last minutes were like.. Parents..PAY ATTENTION to your surroundings!

This is what a witness stated:

Declan Salcido, who's on vacation with relatives from San Jose, California, said the "No Swimming" signs are visible "from any vantage point."
The lagoon is not for recreational swimming.
"This is Florida, and it's not uncommon for alligators to be in bodies of water," Demings said.

@CouponQueen

ITA ..... Alligators are EVERYWHERE in Florida ..... millions of them. If a beach says NO SWIMMING, then parents can't ignore their obligations just because they are on vacation! They need to watch their kids!

Anyone want to bet how long it will be before the parents sue Disney for a wrongful death? Of course they will blame Disney! JMO
Yes, they are likely going to sue. They have every right to do so.
@itiswhatitis

They'll sue - sure the ambulance chasers are lining up right now. They have the right to sue 'cause anybody can sue anyone. WDW had proper signage - NO SWIMMING. However, nowadays, lots of people don't follow rules. Will they win in a court of law - imo, probably not. But, WDW will give them a very substantial settlement for not going to court to avoid additional bad p.r.. Sadly, no amount of compensation will bring back their baby: the real tragedy here is a child died needlessly and the family will be living with the sadness of "if only" and heatache for the rest of their lives.

Why does them suing disturb you so much? People have been suing each other for years, centuries~ not just "nowadays." It's part of the fabric of America and has been since its founding. What's it to you, that this family who lost their child will sue WDW? Will any of the proceeds (if they win) go to you?

Go ahead and tell me about YOUR tax dollars.......

*Call Tyrone*

Moonchilde · ‎05-23-2010

For some perspective, this the tiny body of water that could so easily be fenced -

Life without Mexican food is no life at all

CJC · ‎03-11-2010

@Moonchilde wrote:
@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@itiswhatitis wrote:
@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@CouponQueen wrote:
Yes as parents we all make mistakes..but as parents it is up to US to pay attention to our surroundings. They are on vacation...but why would they let a 2 year old wade in the water - especially when the sign states NO Swimming..they are from the US..they know what No Swimming means..you do not go in the water!! So due to their lack of common sense they lost their child, this two year old tragically lost his life and goodness knows what his last minutes were like.. Parents..PAY ATTENTION to your surroundings!

This is what a witness stated:

Declan Salcido, who's on vacation with relatives from San Jose, California, said the "No Swimming" signs are visible "from any vantage point."
The lagoon is not for recreational swimming.
"This is Florida, and it's not uncommon for alligators to be in bodies of water," Demings said.

@CouponQueen

ITA ..... Alligators are EVERYWHERE in Florida ..... millions of them. If a beach says NO SWIMMING, then parents can't ignore their obligations just because they are on vacation! They need to watch their kids!

Anyone want to bet how long it will be before the parents sue Disney for a wrongful death? Of course they will blame Disney! JMO
Yes, they are likely going to sue. They have every right to do so.
@itiswhatitis

Yes, they have the "right" to sue, but the reason that kid is gone is parental neglect.

What part of signs that say NO SWIMMING don't people understand? Must everything be spelled out?

No Swimming means No Swimming.

The child wasn't swimming, which denotes having one's *body* in the water. Getting one's feet and hands wet is not swimming. The signs said No Swimming, they didn't say No Wading, Don't Touch the Water or Don't Go Near the Water - Danger.

This. I would sue the pants off Disney. This is a man made resort, a man made beach, a man made lagoon. Millions of families every year. There are beach chairs out on that lagoon beach. Gators are not bright. They are giant eating machines. This gator didn't know if he was dragging off a human, a dog, or a raccoon -- all food to him. My family has lived in the Tampa Bay area for over 35 years. I have been to Disney more times than I can count. We have stayed at the Polynesian and at the Contemporary. My young kids have played at the edge of the water of those lagoons many times, along with children of hundreds of other families. A gator can come completely out of the water and walk right up and grab you from your beach chair before you can even think of reacting. Never has it crossed my mind over the past decades while visiting Disney that my family was in danger of a gator attack. Disney dropped the ball on this one. They should have installed fences and gator lock gates at all water inlets when the park opened in early 70's. Next trip to Disney, I'll be staying at an off-site hotel with a good old swimming pool for the grandkids.

jackthebear · ‎03-11-2010

@colliegirls wrote:
The news said the family is from Nebraska. Until we moved south, we had no idea how fast and dangerous alligators are, and that they are everywhere. It probably never crossed their mind.

I live in New Jersey have watched plenty of TV to know you should be near the water in the evening by lagoon in Florida.

Carmie · ‎10-25-2010

@Mrsq2022 wrote:
@febe1 wrote:

@nomless wrote:
@Mz iMac wrote:
Being from Nebraska or any other place in the world is no excuse for letting a 2 yr old wade in shallow water AT NIGHT w/NO SWIMMING signs posted all over the place.

The father was close enough to the child to rescue but no one can pry the jaws of an alligator once it takes hold of "food."

I think I read some where that alligators "drown" their "food" prior to swallowing.

SIDEBAR: Everytime I go to New Orleans I always take a canoe ride on the everglades to feed the alligators marchmellows. I won't be doing that no more!!!

Here, a land-locked area, wading close to shore does not equal swiming. Now, I understand that No Swimming means Stay Away From the Water, but before this incident, that wasn't my interpretation of No Swimming.
Same here. No swimming tells you nothing. It doesn't tell you not to wade in the water. DANGER --ALLIGATORS WILL EAT YOU! Make it clear to innocent parents.
I agree! Swimming, and getting your toes wet are two different things. Unless there was a fence, a little sandy beach is tempting for a vacationing family.

If I see a no swimming sign, I know that I'm not allowed to put on a suit and jump on in to swim. If I see a "DANGER - no swimming - ALLIGATORS" sign, I'd know to stay 20 yards away from the body of water and not even walk close enough to skip stones...two very different messages.

Amazing. If the sign says " No Swimmng" it means stay out of the water... No swimming, no wading.., no dangling your toes in the water! It means you must stay out of the water... Period.

There shouldn't have to be an explanation as to why. The sign is clear and to the point.

We spend every summer at a lake and launch our boat at a public place. There are signs at the dock that say NO Smimming and NO Fishing, but every summer people bring their children and pets to the boat launch to swim and fish.

I have had to scream at the top of my lungs to get the children to move out of the water so that our boat doesn't hit them, especially when we are taking out boat out of the water. Parents curse at me when I ask them to get their children out so we can back our trailer and drive the boat on it. Boats do not have brakes and can't stop. Our boat is big and would kill a child/ adult if they got hit.

All of us adults should obey the signs. We should not only obey the ones we pick and choose.. We should not teach our children that it is okay to ignore signs either. It only takes a quick moment for someone to get killed or hurt.

I feel so bad for this family. They could have prevented this tragedy by using common sense. It is never okay to go into any natural water at night. You can't see the bottom or know what might be in there. This family was at the lagoon for movie night when the boy was wading in knee deep water at night. Both dad and mom jumped in to save him, but couldn't. So sad and too late now.

No matter where you are from, you have probably seen the pictures and new reports showing alligators in people's back yards and in swimming pools. There is no way to keep them out. They too don't or can't read and obey the signs.

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Mama Mia · ‎03-10-2010

@SileeMee, a fence also works pretty good at keeping alligators IN.

mm

"Cats are like potato chips, you can never have just one".

itiswhatitis · ‎05-27-2016

@Carmie wrote:
@Mrsq2022 wrote:
@febe1 wrote:

@nomless wrote:
@Mz iMac wrote:
Being from Nebraska or any other place in the world is no excuse for letting a 2 yr old wade in shallow water AT NIGHT w/NO SWIMMING signs posted all over the place.

The father was close enough to the child to rescue but no one can pry the jaws of an alligator once it takes hold of "food."

I think I read some where that alligators "drown" their "food" prior to swallowing.

SIDEBAR: Everytime I go to New Orleans I always take a canoe ride on the everglades to feed the alligators marchmellows. I won't be doing that no more!!!

Here, a land-locked area, wading close to shore does not equal swiming. Now, I understand that No Swimming means Stay Away From the Water, but before this incident, that wasn't my interpretation of No Swimming.
Same here. No swimming tells you nothing. It doesn't tell you not to wade in the water. DANGER --ALLIGATORS WILL EAT YOU! Make it clear to innocent parents.
I agree! Swimming, and getting your toes wet are two different things. Unless there was a fence, a little sandy beach is tempting for a vacationing family.

If I see a no swimming sign, I know that I'm not allowed to put on a suit and jump on in to swim. If I see a "DANGER - no swimming - ALLIGATORS" sign, I'd know to stay 20 yards away from the body of water and not even walk close enough to skip stones...two very different messages.
Amazing. If the sign says " No Swimmng" it means stay out of the water... No swimming, no wading.., no dangling your toes in the water! It means you must stay out of the water... Period.

There shouldn't have to be an explanation as to why. The sign is clear and to the point.

We spend every summer at a lake and launch our boat at a public place. There are signs at the dock that say NO Smimming and NO Fishing, but every summer people bring their children and pets to the boat launch to swim and fish.

I have had to scream at the top of my lungs to get the children to move out of the water so that our boat doesn't hit them, especially when we are taking out boat out of the water. Parents curse at me when I ask them to get their children out so we can back our trailer and drive the boat on it. Boats do not have brakes and can't stop. Our boat is big and would kill a child/ adult if they got hit.

All of us adults should obey the signs. We should not only obey the ones we pick and choose.. We should not teach our children that it is okay to ignore signs either. It only takes a quick moment for someone to get killed or hurt.

I feel so bad for this family. They could have prevented this tragedy by using common sense. It is never okay to go into any natural water at night. You can't see the bottom or know what might be in there. The father and his son were wading in knee deep water at night. So sad and too late now.

No matter where you are from, you have probably seen the pictures and new reports showing alligators in people's back yards and in swimming pools. There is no way to keep them out. They too don' t or can't read and obey the signs.

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NO SWIMMING IS SELF explanatory. No swimming. I don't care how bad you don't like it, but additional signage was lacking on this. Just bysheer virtue of the way we interpret things differently. No ambiquity when you say, DO NOT ENTER WATER ~ ALLIGATORS. LEAVE NO ROOM FOR DOUBT OR AMBIGUITY. unfortunately "no swimming" doesn't cut it here.