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[Moonchilde]

@sfnative

I haven't contributed to the original thread, or this one up to now. I was appalled (but not at all surprised) at the way the original thread went. I'm not surprised at this thread either, considering the pestilential arrival of a certain poster and her subsequent typical bombardment.

From someone who continually claims to Know It All about the practice of medicine, it's sometimes fascinating to read the 'oopsies' where the knowledge seems to drop off a cliff. Oy.

My heart goes out to you. I had no idea that some states were so horribly restrictive about who could prescribe what, never mind the insurance hassles.

I do know that for the past 10-12 years, both my long-time doctors and my new doctor since moving behave towards patients who have been taking any controlled substance, for any reason, however infrequently as if they were mainlining heavy drugs. It really.piffs.me.off.

I have had a long-standing Rx for Ativan, and for the hydrocodone 5/325. I might need to fill these Rxs, which consist of 30 pills, once a year to 18 months. That is hardly anyone's definition of "addiction." Yet when I ask for a refill I get the "horrified" reaction, the "you have no idea what you're asking for!", and am put in "beg" position. Which makes me very angry.

I blame "gutless" doctors in part, but only in part. They are being continually bombarded by heavy-duty threats from the Federal govt and insurance companies. They probably live in fear of not behaving that way if a fake patient (govt investigator) shows up and reports them for giving out controlled substances "too easily." There is tremendous pressure on doctors right now. But gimme a break - what is "addiction" and what is occasional as-needed use are pretty obvious. I just wish more doctors had the guts to prescribe not "freely", but just normally, guided by their knowledge and experience.

[KarenQVC]

@Poodlepet2  No professional, except the clergy, can properly make moral judgements.

[KarenQVC]

@Moonchilde  What is happening to you is just sick.

[Reba055]

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@Moonchilde wrote:

@sfnative

I haven't contributed to the original thread, or this one up to now. I was appalled (but not at all surprised) at the way the original thread went. I'm not surprised at this thread either, considering the pestilential arrival of a certain poster and her subsequent typical bombardment.

From someone who continually claims to Know It All about the practice of medicine, it's sometimes fascinating to read the 'oopsies' where the knowledge seems to drop off a cliff. Oy.

My heart goes out to you. I had no idea that some states were so horribly restrictive about who could prescribe what, never mind the insurance hassles.

I do know that for the past 10-12 years, both my long-time doctors and my new doctor since moving behave towards patients who have been taking any controlled substance, for any reason, however infrequently as if they were mainlining heavy drugs. It really.piffs.me.off.

I have had a long-standing Rx for Ativan, and for the hydrocodone 5/325. I might need to fill these Rxs, which consist of 30 pills, once a year to 18 months. That is hardly anyone's definition of "addiction." Yet when I ask for a refill I get the "horrified" reaction, the "you have no idea what you're asking for!", and am put in "beg" position. Which makes me very angry.

I blame "gutless" doctors in part, but only in part. They are being continually bombarded by heavy-duty threats from the Federal govt and insurance companies. They probably live in fear of not behaving that way if a fake patient (govt investigator) shows up and reports them for giving out controlled substances "too easily." There is tremendous pressure on doctors right now. But gimme a break - what is "addiction" and what is occasional as-needed use are pretty obvious. I just wish more doctors had the guts to prescribe not "freely", but just normally, guided by their knowledge and experience.

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@Moonchilde  It's a mess. They rescheduled hydrocodone so that now you have to get the prescription every month as opposed to the old way of a prescription with refills. They don't care that elderly patients that are sick have a hard time going in to the doc every month for a prescription. Most doctors outside of pain management don't want to deal with the wrath of the government and paperwork. All to save the addicts who of course now are buying heroin. . What a bunch of dummies. 

[Moonchilde]

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@Reba055 wrote:

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@Moonchilde wrote:

@sfnative

I haven't contributed to the original thread, or this one up to now. I was appalled (but not at all surprised) at the way the original thread went. I'm not surprised at this thread either, considering the pestilential arrival of a certain poster and her subsequent typical bombardment.

From someone who continually claims to Know It All about the practice of medicine, it's sometimes fascinating to read the 'oopsies' where the knowledge seems to drop off a cliff. Oy.

My heart goes out to you. I had no idea that some states were so horribly restrictive about who could prescribe what, never mind the insurance hassles.

I do know that for the past 10-12 years, both my long-time doctors and my new doctor since moving behave towards patients who have been taking any controlled substance, for any reason, however infrequently as if they were mainlining heavy drugs. It really.piffs.me.off.

I have had a long-standing Rx for Ativan, and for the hydrocodone 5/325. I might need to fill these Rxs, which consist of 30 pills, once a year to 18 months. That is hardly anyone's definition of "addiction." Yet when I ask for a refill I get the "horrified" reaction, the "you have no idea what you're asking for!", and am put in "beg" position. Which makes me very angry.

I blame "gutless" doctors in part, but only in part. They are being continually bombarded by heavy-duty threats from the Federal govt and insurance companies. They probably live in fear of not behaving that way if a fake patient (govt investigator) shows up and reports them for giving out controlled substances "too easily." There is tremendous pressure on doctors right now. But gimme a break - what is "addiction" and what is occasional as-needed use are pretty obvious. I just wish more doctors had the guts to prescribe not "freely", but just normally, guided by their knowledge and experience.

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@Moonchilde  It's a mess. They rescheduled hydrocodone so that now you have to get the prescription every month as opposed to the old way of a prescription with refills. They don't care that elderly patients that are sick have a hard time going in to the doc every month for a prescription. Most doctors outside of pain management don't want to deal with the wrath of the government and paperwork. All to save the addicts who of course now are buying heroin. . What a bunch of dummies. 

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@Reba055, sometimes drugstores add their own bizarreness into the mix. In CA the largest # of drugstores is CVS. In LA, the policy was you had to hand-carry in a written Rx and it had to be filled right then, and only then (no refills of course), and handed right back to the person who brought in the Rx - period. Could not be called in.

I moved 350 mi north. I asked the local CVS what the policy was, believing it must be company-wide. They were like "huh?" The doctor could fax the Rx and it would be filled and ready to p/u when you brought the written Rx with you to p/u. No biggie. So in some instances it's what city you live in or what individual store you shop at.

[Poodlepet2]

@Reba055-trust me-written RXs are better for this class-I'm ok with that....People were calling pharmacies on the doctor's line and filling their own scripts using docs DEA number. Thankfully, that is no longer being done because of the new laws that were passed.

Pharmacies have every backline number-and it comes up as "private caller" or from the practice public number. Numbers on a backline follow no patterns-so it has been made more difficult, and it needed to be.

....but Moon is right about attitudes: my docs have no problems with me: they can readily keep track of every medication I take and the frequency....but ancillary personnel???? 

I could write pages and pages...not all are bad-but some are deplorable and should bear the numbers "007" behind their professional titles.

You are right: those who take responsibly and out of need suffer for those who don't....I, in no way support dealers, but I am sick and tired of judgements being passed on their victims as well. We treat them like scrum-instead of compassion. It is a sad state of affairs....but it's time to enjoy something fun: I think I will look for a good comedy!

Hugs,

Poodlepet2

[Moonchilde]

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@KarenQVC wrote:

@Moonchilde  What is happening to you is just sick.

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@KarenQVC, I just really, really resent being treated like a drug-seeking addict when both the doctor and I know that's not the case. It seriously means I respect the doctor less. 

I have found alternatives that work very well in general but aren't perfect either (nothing works perfectly for every type of chronic pain). The majority of what I use is 100% legal in every state; the rest is legal in my state. Alas, the purest, best legal substance is not cheap. Hydrocodone, anti-inflammatories and muscle relaxants would be cheaper - and not work as well or any better.

[hckynut]

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@Reba055 wrote:

@sfnative

 @@@ It's a mess they rescheduled hydrocodone so that now you have to get the prescription every month as opposed to the old way of a prescription with refills. They don't care that elderly patients that are sick have a hard time going in to the doc every month for a prescription. Most doctors outside of pain management don't want to deal with the wrath of the government and paperwork. All to save the addicts who of course now are buying heroin. . What a bunch of dummies. 

@Reba055

Out of the 3 meds prescribed by my Psychiatrist, 2 of them must have been rescheduled also. I get mail order, which a 90 supply, a have always need only 1 yearly prescription from my doctor.

Not any more. Two of them I now have to call my doctor and have them fax a new prescription for my 90 days. Never knew that these were/are causing "addictions", and my doctor has not seen any of her patients addicted to any of the 3 small doesage that I take daily.

Not as bad as the pain meds for sure, but I had, and have a lot of physical pains I deal with also. This I know for only me personally. I would rather suffer physical pain as opposed of the "Black Hole" I was in with mental issues. Those were for and away, for me now not speaking for anyone else, the most terrifying and lost years in my life.

Sure, I can still get them, for now, but who knows about the future. Not many pain meds I can, or will take. Some because of my colon bleeding issue, and some because they mess up my brain. Others, like Codeine, I just do not feeling like I did when I was on a "high drunk", and I prefer the pain to that feeling.

While I understand the trying to lower the addiction rates from legal meds, taking away these options for those in severe and/or chronic pain? The bureaucrats should not be making those decisions, that should be the full responsibility of the prescribing physician.

hckynut(john)

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[Reba055]

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@hckynut wrote:

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@Reba055 wrote:

@sfnative

 @@@ It's a mess they rescheduled hydrocodone so that now you have to get the prescription every month as opposed to the old way of a prescription with refills. They don't care that elderly patients that are sick have a hard time going in to the doc every month for a prescription. Most doctors outside of pain management don't want to deal with the wrath of the government and paperwork. All to save the addicts who of course now are buying heroin. . What a bunch of dummies. 

@Reba055

Out of the 3 meds prescribed by my Psychiatrist, 2 of them must have been rescheduled also. I get mail order, which a 90 supply, a have always need only 1 yearly prescription from my doctor.

Not any more. Two of them I now have to call my doctor and have them fax a new prescription for my 90 days. Never knew that these were/are causing "addictions", and my doctor has not seen any of her patients addicted to any of the 3 small doesage that I take daily.

Not as bad as the pain meds for sure, but I had, and have a lot of physical pains I deal with also. This I know for only me personally. I would rather suffer physical pain as opposed of the "Black Hole" I was in with mental issues. Those were for and away, for me now not speaking for anyone else, the most terrifying and lost years in my life.

Sure, I can still get them, for now, but who knows about the future. Not many pain meds I can, or will take. Some because of my colon bleeding issue, and some because they mess up my brain. Others, like Codeine, I just do not feeling like I did when I was on a "high drunk", and I prefer the pain to that feeling.

While I understand the trying to lower the addiction rates from legal meds, taking away these options for those in severe and/or chronic pain? The bureaucrats should not be making those decisions, that should be the full responsibility of the prescribing physician.

hckynut(john)

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@hckynut  I know what you mean. I have a medication that I've been on for 20 years. My doc told me last visit that I couldn't take it anymore if I was going to take any pain med of any kind. What??  Between the govt and insurance companies these days who needs a doctor. Just let them do it all, lol. 

I dont like pain meds either. They sure don't make me euphoric. But sometimes I have to bite the bullet and take them, ugh. 

Getting old is not for sissies!!

[sfnative]

@Moonchilde

Thank you for chiming in here.  I agree with everything you've related and am sorry you're being met with the same resistance.

There is a clear path before us: A concerted effort in retort to all parties who vilify those of us seeking relief, albeit at a low level; and, never with a history "drug seeking" or "drug abuse."

I know of no such national effort, but must commence a search, as I have had it with politicians and physicians establishing policy based on illegal drug abused and legal drug abusers.

Keep in mind that this all started with one person in the 70s: the governor of a particular state, who rather than go after drug distributors and sellers, appointed a state supreme court to dummy down penalties for such felonies, making them misdemeanors.  The guilty parties, then, were continually allowed to do their nasty business, while generations of Americans died in gutters and continue to do so, while politicians and physicians go after patients like me in moderate to severe pain now denied one 10/325 oxycodone per day with breakfast.

I live in a city with more pot shops and bars than doctors offices.  (No, I'm not moving.  We're here for family.)  It's interesting to note that addiction to alcohol and pot are tolerated, while a need for low level pain medication is considered a mortal sin.