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‎04-06-2015 12:35 PM
Violet,
I read your thread about muscle soreness and pain and I'm concerned. I posted in your thread but want to make sure you see this. Is your urine dark? If yes you MUST go an emergency facility ASAP. You could have rhabdomyolysis which is a very dangerous condition. I don't want to alarm you. But it's critical that you see a physician if your urine is dark. I don't want anything to happen to you.
‎04-06-2015 01:57 PM
‎04-06-2015 02:14 PM
I am a certified Crossfit coach. Dark urine or no urine output in conjunction with extreme muscle soreness and muscle tenderness which occurred after certain exercises involving high count repetitive movements can cause (exertional) rhabdo. I PERSONALLY know coaches who have had clients who had the same symptoms and were taken to the ER. It was determined they had rhabdo and their clients required 4 to 7 days of hospitalization. These clients got rhabdo from push ups.
You may not care for the health of that OP and may be dismissive of what I'm saying and that's fine. However I prefer to give my own personal experience and knowledge just in case that person is in danger.
Here's some good reading for you hckynt. These are only 3 cases of many.
CASE REPORTS FROM Stan Reents PharmD www.athleteinme.com
• Case #1: A 19-year old college freshman experienced 2 episodes of rhabdomyolysis while playing competitive ultimate frisbee. The first episode occurred following a 5-hr frisbee tournament (her actual playing time was estimated to be 3 hours).
At the end of the tournament, she developed severe, diffuse muscle soreness. She was unable to straighten her elbows and knees and had difficulty standing because of soreness in her back muscles. Her urine became brown-colored but she did not seek medical attention. The muscle soreness resolved after 3 days.
Her second episode of rhabdomyolysis occurred 2 weeks later. This time, she participated in a 2-hr frisbee scrimmage followed by a 2-hr karate class. Shortly thereafter, she experienced severe muscle cramping and sought medical attention.
The following day, her CK (creatine kinase, an enzyme found in muscle cells) levels peaked at 59,000 U/L. Over the following week, the CK level fell to 266.
She did not recall any illness or fever preceding these 2 episodes and was not taking any medication. Until this point in her life, this young woman had no history of rhabdomyolysis. In high school, she played tennis and ran track. She tolerated workouts of up to 2 hours without difficulty. She was a sprinter, but could run 2 miles with no problem. It was subsequently determined that she had a genetic predisposition for rhabdomyolysis (Krivickas LS. 2006).
• Case #2: A 40-year old black male developed rhabdomyolysis in his biceps after doing several sets of "negative curls". These are exercises where a spotter helps lift a heavy barbell up (concentric phase), and then the weight-lifter lowers the barbell (without assistance) until his arms are in an extended position (eccentric phase). Roughly 18 hours after doing negative curls, this athlete experienced severe biceps pain and could not fully extend his arms. His CK levels reached 76,000 U/L (normal range: 60-320 U/L) (Bolgiano EB. 1994).
• Case #3: A 21-year old inmate participated in a prison hazing ritual where he had to move 10 chess pieces on the floor. (I won't mention which part of his anatomy was used to pick up the chess pieces, but, suffice to say it wasn't his hands!) The chess pieces were lined up on the floor and the prisoner had to squat to first pick them up, then had to squat again to put them down. This required approximately 110 deep knee bends.
Within 12 hours, he was unable to leave his bed because of severe pain in his anterior thighs. Three days later, he was taken to the hospital with complaints of brown urine and nocturia.
On physical exam, his thighs were mildly swollen and his quadriceps were exquisitely tender. He was unable to flex his knees. He had protein in his urine, and his CK level was greater than 160,000 U/L. With treatment, the CK levels returned to normal after 12 days (Frucht M. 1994).
‎04-06-2015 02:30 PM
Hi Melfie,
I really, really appreciate your concern. It's very kind of you and no, my urine is not dark. I'm glad you posted because I was looking for where you mentioned rhabdomyolosis and couldn't find it - couldn't remember who posted about that. I wanted to look it up and am doing that now. I just wanted to get back to you first. The push-ups are probably what did me in because I was doing lots of them at home in addition to some in class. They are bent knee push-ups, not the military style, although I'm sure the bent knee ones can be rough on shoulders too.
‎04-06-2015 02:38 PM
I just looked up rhabdomyolosis and don't have any of the other symptoms they listed. I'll definitely keep that in mind anyway, just in case. Wow, it just goes to show you can really get injured if you're not careful (and I'm really not careful but will be now)!
‎04-06-2015 02:46 PM
On 4/6/2015 Violet Fields said:Hi Melfie,
I really, really appreciate your concern. It's very kind of you and no, my urine is not dark. I'm glad you posted because I was looking for where you mentioned rhabdomyolosis and couldn't find it - couldn't remember who posted about that. I wanted to look it up and am doing that now. I just wanted to get back to you first. The push-ups are probably what did me in because I was doing lots of them at home in addition to some in class. They are bent knee push-ups, not the military style, although I'm sure the bent knee ones can be rough on shoulders too.
Thank you for replying. I was very worried about you. So your urine output is normal? That's good! I'm relieved. Your level of soreness isn't normal. Let your body recover with rest, real food and stretching/rolling out (self-myofascial release). Yes, even bent knee pushups can be brutal. Make sure your form is good. Another way of scaling those pushups is to use a bench or incline instead of doing them on your knees. Put your hands on the bench, toes on the ground and lower yourself until your chest hits the bench, elbows close to the body. See if that takes the stress off of your joints. I admire you for doing the hard work. Keep at it. If you have soreness roll out on a foam roller or lacrosse ball. That helps a lot.
Here's a link about foam rolling - http://breakingmuscle.com/mobility-recovery/what-is-a-foam-roller-how-do-i-use-it-and-why-does-it-hu...
‎04-06-2015 02:46 PM
‎04-06-2015 02:52 PM
Thank you hckynut.
‎04-06-2015 02:55 PM
On 4/6/2015 melfie said:On 4/6/2015 Violet Fields said:Hi Melfie,
I really, really appreciate your concern. It's very kind of you and no, my urine is not dark. I'm glad you posted because I was looking for where you mentioned rhabdomyolosis and couldn't find it - couldn't remember who posted about that. I wanted to look it up and am doing that now. I just wanted to get back to you first. The push-ups are probably what did me in because I was doing lots of them at home in addition to some in class. They are bent knee push-ups, not the military style, although I'm sure the bent knee ones can be rough on shoulders too.
Thank you for replying. I was very worried about you. So your urine output is normal? That's good! I'm relieved. Your level of soreness isn't normal. Let your body recover with rest, real food and stretching/rolling out (self-myofascial release). Yes, even bent knee pushups can be brutal. Make sure your form is good. Another way of scaling those pushups is to use a bench or incline instead of doing them on your knees. Put your hands on the bench, toes on the ground and lower yourself until your chest hits the bench, elbows close to the body. See if that takes the stress off of your joints. I admire you for doing the hard work. Keep at it. If you have soreness roll out on a foam roller or lacrosse ball. That helps a lot.
Here's a link about foam rolling - http://breakingmuscle.com/mobility-recovery/what-is-a-foam-roller-how-do-i-use-it-and-why-does-it-hu...
Yeah, the urine is good. I'm not dehydrated either and drink lots of water all day long. I'll look into stretching and rolling out. With me, I'm always pretty active so have to be extra careful not to do too much. Thanks again for all your help!
‎04-06-2015 02:56 PM
On 4/6/2015 Violet Fields said:I just looked up rhabdomyolosis and don't have any of the other symptoms they listed. I'll definitely keep that in mind anyway, just in case. Wow, it just goes to show you can really get injured if you're not careful (and I'm really not careful but will be now)!
Yes, injuries in the gym happen and some can be life changing. Push yourself but also use caution and good common sense.
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