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[sidsmom]

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@tsavorite wrote:

However there is another formula Mafftone Method I think (read that on some other topic here) that uses 180 - (your age) = HR you should workout at. 

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@tsavorite

That had to be me!  

I love The Maffetone Method...really makes everything simple

to remember numbers, etc.

I’ve taken a lot of VO2 tests & really studied up on heart rate training

and most of them are pretty much in the same ballpark.

If doing structured movement, you should leave the gym feeling like

you could turn around and do more. 😀

There are so many tests, charts & monitors to guide you

but at the end of the day, just put a little ‘giddy up in your go.’

😀🐴

[hckynut]

@sidsmom

What type of Max VO2 tests did you take, and what were your numbers. Please be very, very detailed.

I have taken many and unless there has been a new evolution of how these are done, I am curious to hear exactly how the ones you have taken came up with your Maximum Oxygen Uptake numbers.

hckynut(john)

[hckynut]

@tsavorite

To simplify what I said in my other post that I directed towards you, it is this. Formulas differ, as do each persons ability to reach a specific Maximum Heart Rate Number. I tried to specifically spell it out with my comparison to my co-worker.

With that I intended to show this. 

No matter what formula is used, it comes down to each persons Cardiovascular System when it comes to ones Maximum Heart Rate. There is no FORMULA that will tell you that number. The only way to know that is by doing what is called a Maximal Stress Test. All of mine were done using a treadmill, usually the same one.

For you? Forget about 220 minus your age, as I spelled out the difference between myself and my co-worker taking the exact same test. Just reach your comfortable heart rate while doing your cardio of choice exercise. Then raise it to a point where you are working a bit harder. 

DISCLAIMER-Get your doctors approval as I am giving your a suggestion, not medical advice.

You must be wearing a chest heart rate monitor if you are really interested in finding out your numbers. If not, your fitness level plays a major role in counting your "beats per minute manually", and other methods on machines are not accurate and dependable. If I explain this, it will unsimplify this whole post.

I cannot simplify this any further. Formulas are not accurate, and without a test, none of them mean cr*p.

hckynut(john)

[tsavorite]

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@sidsmom wrote:

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@tsavorite wrote:

However there is another formula Mafftone Method I think (read that on some other topic here) that uses 180 - (your age) = HR you should workout at. 

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@tsavorite

That had to be me!  

I love The Maffetone Method...really makes everything simple

to remember numbers, etc.

I’ve taken a lot of VO2 tests & really studied up on heart rate training

and most of them are pretty much in the same ballpark.

If doing structured movement, you should leave the gym feeling like

you could turn around and do more. 😀

There are so many tests, charts & monitors to guide you

but at the end of the day, just put a little ‘giddy up in your go.’

😀🐴

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Yes I believe it was...just can't remember which topic it was under!  Anyway can you go into some detail further....your not saying I need to be really accurate or am I misunderstanding "giddy up and go" ?  I do wear my fitbit to track my HR and shoot for the 140's or abit lower 130's.  That's below max HR using 220 formula  but using the 180 method I would need to be at 127HR.  With the fitbit and say on the elliptical it takes me about 15mins in to get in the 130's at the 3.9 to 4.1 speed.  When I do weights I never have gone in the 120's....generally my avg is about 99=110.  Certain movements can get it up there more.  

Thank you for your comments and help!

[tsavorite]

@hckynutthank you....I did/do have doc's approval we discussed this together just recently.  So no problems there for me.  Since I have been basically doing what you are talking about in your reply YET I am not seeing a increase in strength or endurance....as of yet anyway.  Oh I don't use a chest monitor just my fitbit.  

[hckynut]

Hi @jubilant

With your 1st Echo are you saying your Ejection Fraction numbers were low? After my 2nd heart attack, mine were so low, I was considered to be in the Congestive Heart Failure Category (CHF). I had to see a Heart Nutritionist and the whole bit.

My eating program didn't change since I was already pretty much doing that for decades. The real hard part for me was limiting my daily total fluid intake to 64oz. That for me is not even a thirst quencher.  I think it was 3 months later when I had my next Echo, and my EF numbers were high enough to remove me from the CHF Category.

Now while I can be  a patient man, as an athlete, that is a very big virtue if one can carry it out. I learned early from injuries, to rush a recovery, usually ended up making it take longer, via reinjuring it, or having a secondary injury.

I did not put s time frame on my recoveries from either of my heart attacks. My 1st one was really bad because of the accompanying Aspiration Pneumonia. That came closer to killing me than my 100% blocked Right Coronary Artery. Won't go into that story, except to say, it played a BIG role in my recovery.

My having a pretty good handle on Exercise Physiology, over the decades, along with recovering from some pretty major injuries, I knew/know how my body responds and what methods work the best for me. I always wore/wear my chest heart rate monitor when doing anything that I feel is going to really elevate my heart beat level. I will never be without one, and that goes back to decades before my 1st heart attack.

Sorry: Had to leave before I finished. You might talk with your Cardiologist about your heart rate levels and maybe about a walking Stress Test, and what levels are best for you.

I have always wanted to know my heart rate going back decades, thus my reason for getting a Polar heart rate monitor well over 30 years ago. My Cardiologist I have been seeing since the early 1980's, and he knows my choices of activities, and of course all the results of all my many Maximal Stress Tests. His favorite comment to me for many years, back when I entered the 50 age group, was this: "If every 50 year old had numbers like your's, I would have to change my practice to something else".

Heading down to my gym to get a an hour or so workout on my recumbent, and will be going skating again tomorrow. Hey!! Keep me posted on what's up with you, especially after you visit with your Cardiologist. In the meantime, don't take any unnecessary chances concerning your heart health.

hckynut(john)

[hckynut]

Hello @tsavorite,

I don't know anything about the heart rate accuracy of a Fit Bit. What I do know is this. There is a reason the Cardiac Floor uses only Chest Monitor Leads to track a patient's heart rate, not something worn on their wrist(I am only assuming that Fit Bit is worn on the wrist).

I know you seem to not be happy with your progress, or lack of. For my many recoveries I have used the things I mentioned in a couple of my pretty long posts to you in that other thread. What I do does not resemble, in any way, what  you spelled out in your reply to sidsmom.

Really not more I can add that I haven't said in several of my other posts, in this thread, and the "2018 thread". My best to you,

hckynut(john)

[hckynut]

@jubilant

I had to add to my other post to you. Not sure if you read it again.

hn

[software]

You actually don't need to know how to swim to do the pool exercises.

I guess I lost my funny bone, disease is not funny to me.

I would not want to know my name is "blasted" to other patients.

It was just a suggestion

I have a few friends with a similar situation to yours and they find the pool exercises helpful.

64 is not old.   it's just right!

@SouthernBee

[sidsmom]

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@tsavorite wrote:

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@sidsmom wrote:

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@tsavorite wrote:

However there is another formula Mafftone Method I think (read that on some other topic here) that uses 180 - (your age) = HR you should workout at. 

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@tsavorite

That had to be me!  

I love The Maffetone Method...really makes everything simple

to remember numbers, etc.

I’ve taken a lot of VO2 tests & really studied up on heart rate training

and most of them are pretty much in the same ballpark.

If doing structured movement, you should leave the gym feeling like

you could turn around and do more. 😀

There are so many tests, charts & monitors to guide you

but at the end of the day, just put a little ‘giddy up in your go.’

😀🐴

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Yes I believe it was...just can't remember which topic it was under!  Anyway can you go into some detail further....your not saying I need to be really accurate or am I misunderstanding "giddy up and go" ?  

Thank you for your comments and help!

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@tsavorite

I believe for the greater Public, numbers aren’t necessary.

Just make your movement ‘with purpose’ & you’ll still gain the benefits.

If you’re not able to keep up walking w/ hubby...maybe cycling next to him.

Bicycles even have 3 wheels for better balance...maybe that’s an option?