To vegan or not to vegan . . .

GingerPeach · ‎03-12-2010

Interesting reading:

healthline DOT com/nutrition/4-reasons-some-do-well-as-vegans/

Small excerpt from the article:

"Debate about whether veganism is a healthy diet for humans or a fast track to deficiency has been raging since time immemorial (or at the very least, since the advent of Facebook comment sections).

The controversy is fueled by ardent claims from both sides of the fence: long-term vegans reporting good health (and insisting anyone who struggles must be "doing it wrong"), and ex-vegs recounting their gradual or rapid decline (in some cases, convinced the day will come when "successful" vegans confess it was all a ruse).

And from the section on amylase:

"For low amylase producers, radically upping starch intake could have devastating consequences — potentially leading to poor blood sugar regulation, low satiation and weight gain. But for someone with the metabolic machinery to crank out plenty of amylase, handling a high-carb, plant-based diet might be a piece of cake.

Luckily, science is nudging us closer to an understanding of why people respond differently to low- or no-animal-food diets — with a great deal of the answer rooted in genetics and gut health. No matter how nutritionally adequate a vegan diet looks on paper, metabolic variation can determine whether someone thrives or flounders when going meat-free and beyond."

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phoenixbrd · ‎03-27-2010

No questions or doubts for me. My family has thrived for years living our lifestyle. I could not be at peace or healthy living any other way. Everyone, of course, will decide what is best for themselves.

SilleeMee · ‎05-22-2016

I think it's interesting to note that in the history of primates, including humans, that we (them) have been omnivorous since the beginning. But still most primates are herbivores, only occasionally eating small animals or bugs to supplement their diet. Primates are omnivores in the natural world.

jackthebear · ‎03-11-2010

was looking at vegan butter at traders 2 hours ago, 2 x as much as reg butter for half the amount, I wanted to try it but it had coconut oil and if it tasted of that, #noway

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

At the end of the day...if everyone would eat the a diet

low in fat, whole food-plant-based we would wipe away

so many modern day illnesses. People are so sick, they

believe everything is ‘genetically’ special to them. It’s not.

Given the body a chance to heal...and we will all thrive

on the same thing.

I’m starting to see the beginning stages of the plant-based

lifestyle slowly distancing themselves from the vegan lifestyle...

for good reason. Articles likes this...as well as statements like,

“drives the human response to different diets” just confuses

people...and gives them good reason not to put in the work

to get healthy. “It’s Genetic!” No, it’s not.

Eat a particular healthy way...and those genetic ‘reasons’

for being ill suddenly disappear.

Grouchomarx · ‎01-23-2019

@sidsmom wrote:
At the end of the day...if everyone would eat the a diet
low in fat, whole food-plant-based we would wipe away
so many modern day illnesses. People are so sick, they
believe everything is ‘genetically’ special to them. It’s not.
Given the body a chance to heal...and we will all thrive
on the same thing.

I’m starting to see the beginning stages of the plant-based
lifestyle slowly distancing themselves from the vegan lifestyle...
for good reason. Articles likes this...as well as statements like,
“drives the human response to different diets” just confuses
people...and gives them good reason not to put in the work
to get healthy. “It’s Genetic!” No, it’s not.
Eat a particular healthy way...and those genetic ‘reasons’
for being ill suddenly disappear.

Please do not deny science. Read this article or just google it yourself.

https://www.futurity.org/diet-weight-dna-1619162-2/

A quote from this article:

“My goal going into this study was to find the optimal diet,” Barrington says. “But really what we’re finding is that it depends very much on the genetics of the individual and there isn’t one diet that is best for everyone.”

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

Nope.

Studies are not telling us anything new.

Science is not telling us anything new.

Humans have thrived on a low-fat Plant Based diet, mostly based on starches, for millennium. Facts are facts.

ILTH · ‎05-18-2015

@sidsmom wrote:

Nope.
Studies are not telling us anything new.
Science is not telling us anything new.
Humans have thrived on a low-fat Plant Based diet, mostly based on starches, for millennium. Facts are facts.

Please stop with the garbage science and non-factual facts.

Starches (agriculture) are relatively new to man. It's not optimal in large quantities for many, if not most.

Man had thrived on nuts (fat) and berries (natural sugar) since the dawn of man.

Genetic predispositions, deficiencies, differences are real. Lactose intolerance, for example, is genetic and is common in some populations and not others.

I thrive on low amounts of animal protein. I can eat some cheese, seafood or eggs every few days. Others can't/don't. They require more.

Extremes rarely work well for anyone.

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

@ILTH wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:

Nope.
Studies are not telling us anything new.
Science is not telling us anything new.
Humans have thrived on a low-fat Plant Based diet, mostly based on starches, for millennium. Facts are facts.
Please stop with the garbage science and non-factual facts.
Starches (agriculture) are relatively new to man. It's not optimal in large quantities for many, if not most.
Man had thrived on nuts (fat) and berries (natural sugar) since the dawn of man.

Genetic predispositions, deficiencies, differences are real. Lactose intolerance, for example, is genetic and is common in some populations and not others.

I thrive on low amounts of animal protein. I can eat some cheese, seafood or eggs every few days. Others can't/don't. They require more.

Extremes rarely work well for anyone.

‘New’?

Might want to talk to King Tut about starches (kamut)....or

Millions of Chinese eating rice for thousands or years.....or

Generations of Irish eating potatoes....or

Sweet potatoes in South America....or

Wheat for the Europeans....or many other examples.

Yeah, our ancestors survived on ‘garbage science’. 😆😆😆

Starches are cheap, easily transported, no refrigeration

and nutritionally dense. That’s why civilizations for millennium

have been eating them to successfully survive.

Rice, corn, wheat, gourds, beans, legumes, potatoes.

Your ancestors survived on them; my ancestors survived on them.

I think a history book might be needed at this point.

ILTH · ‎05-18-2015

@sidsmom wrote:
@ILTH wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:

Nope.
Studies are not telling us anything new.
Science is not telling us anything new.
Humans have thrived on a low-fat Plant Based diet, mostly based on starches, for millennium. Facts are facts.
Please stop with the garbage science and non-factual facts.
Starches (agriculture) are relatively new to man. It's not optimal in large quantities for many, if not most.
Man had thrived on nuts (fat) and berries (natural sugar) since the dawn of man.

Genetic predispositions, deficiencies, differences are real. Lactose intolerance, for example, is genetic and is common in some populations and not others.

I thrive on low amounts of animal protein. I can eat some cheese, seafood or eggs every few days. Others can't/don't. They require more.

Extremes rarely work well for anyone.
‘New’?
Might want to talk to King Tut about starches (kamut)....or
Millions of Chinese eating rice for thousands or years.....or
Generations of Irish eating potatoes....or
Sweet potatoes in South America....or
Wheat for the Europeans....or many other examples.

Yeah, our ancestors survived on ‘garbage science’. 😆😆😆

Starches are cheap, easily transported, no refrigeration
and nutritionally dense. That’s why civilizations for millennium
have been eating them to successfully survive.
Rice, corn, wheat, gourds, beans, legumes, potatoes.
Your ancestors survived on them; my ancestors survived on them.

I think a history book might be needed at this point.