Re: Pfizer vaccine and Cancer Patients

Nonametoday · ‎03-09-2010

@Jersey Born wrote:
@Porcelain - Infected people need to stay away from people with cancer, but there is no need for anyone to be injected with COVID inoculations as a means of preventing infection in cancer patients. The mRNA shots and the new DNA shot have not been conclusively proven to prevent infection nor transmission in recipients. The Phase III clinical trials are still going on -- on the entire world population -- so no statements on sterilizing immunity can be made by any manufacturer at this time--- it is way, way, way too premature for that kind of statement, especially considering that the vast majority of non-EUA vaccines had to go through a good decade or more of testing before any kind of similar statement could be made.

@Jersey Born @Porcelain

Infected people need to stay away from everybody.

Nonametoday · ‎03-09-2010

@tiny 2 wrote:
@Icegoddess wrote:
This doesn't mean that cancer patients can't get the vaccine, just probably shouldn't get the Pfizer one. I have a friend who is getting ready to start cancer treatments, so I sent him this information. He said just his luck, Pfizer is the one that Vandy (where his oncologist is) is giving out. So, he's looking to try and find a different vaccine.

I actually didn't thnk it was recommended for patients going through chemo to get the vaccine. Maybe that advice has changed since early on.
@Icegoddess

The problem is not the Pfizer vaccine. The problem is that those of us that are on chemo drugs have immune systems that are suppressed and cannot respond as well to a vaccine... any vaccine. The Pfizer vaccine has the highest efficacy. It would be best for him to be vaccinated as soon as possible and get the second dose in 21 days according to this. The problem in the article is that in the UK, the 2nd dose is being delayed. The data is showing the best response to be with the 21 day interval as it is being given here.

@tiny 2 @Icegoddess

That's the same with anyone of us who has suppressed immunity whether from chemo drugs or natural immunity such as I have immunosuppression from massive doses of steroids and also from immunoglobulin deficiency. God has been good to me and I have not acquired the disease - yet. I am not the least bit surprised any day that I come down with it. Some people in the grocery store are so rude and walk right up in your face and even in the doctors' office today, I saw a young girl, looked to be in her mid to late 20s, early 30s, without a mask when clearly the sign stated one must wear a mass according to state law, blah, blah, blah. Once they sign you in, they are behind glass to which the outside is not visible until they open it, so as soon as she sat down, she took her mask off. Then when she was called back, she put it on.

chessylady · ‎05-01-2010

@Nonametoday Imagine living in Texas where they removed the mask requirement. Any business choosing to protect their customers and employees by requiring masks don't have a leg to stand on, just disagreeable arguments all day long.

Bhvbum · ‎07-18-2010

@Jersey Born wrote:
@Porcelain - Infected people need to stay away from people with cancer, but there is no need for anyone to be injected with COVID inoculations as a means of preventing infection in cancer patients. The mRNA shots and the new DNA shot have not been conclusively proven to prevent infection nor transmission in recipients. The Phase III clinical trials are still going on -- on the entire world population -- so no statements on sterilizing immunity can be made by any manufacturer at this time--- it is way, way, way too premature for that kind of statement, especially considering that the vast majority of non-EUA vaccines had to go through a good decade or more of testing before any kind of similar statement could be made.

Your statement highlighted is not true and that's how misinformation continues to spread:

Vaccine efficacy

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have shown astonishing — and essentially equivalent — degrees of efficacy, at least in the early stages after vaccination.

The Pfizer vaccine showed efficacy of 95% at preventing symptomatic Covid infection after two doses. The vaccine appeared to be more or less equally protective across age groups and racial and ethnic groups.

If I had a 95% chance of winning the lottery, would I complain that it wasn't 100%???

tiny 2 · ‎03-10-2010

"That's the same with anyone of us who has suppressed immunity whether from chemo drugs or natural immunity such as I have immunosuppression from massive doses of steroids and also from immunoglobulin deficiency. God has been good to me and I have not acquired the disease - yet. I am not the least bit surprised any day that I come down with it. Some people in the grocery store are so rude and walk right up in your face and even in the doctors' office today, I saw a young girl, looked to be in her mid to late 20s, early 30s, without a mask when clearly the sign stated one must wear a mass according to state law, blah, blah, blah. Once they sign you in, they are behind glass to which the outside is not visible until they open it, so as soon as she sat down, she took her mask off. Then when she was called back, she put it on."

@Nonametoday

Yes, You are correct. There are many conditions and meds that cause one to be immune suppressed and much more vulnerable to the virus particularly the variants.

Still Raining · ‎03-30-2014

My oncology group has been very particularly about this. Patients are also separated.

We have been told to keep away from groups, unmasked, and unvaccinated.

Looks like a mass clinical trial out there right now.

Jersey Born · ‎03-10-2010

@Bhvbum - The problem with your statement is that it conflates and confuses SARS-CoV-2 (actual virus) infection with COVID-19 (infection symptoms only) prevention or symptom reduction.

SARS-CoV-2 is the virus.

COVID-19 is the conglomeration of illness symptoms one experiences if they develop symptomatic infection.

The mRNA shots (which are gene therapies, rather than vaccinations) were found to reduce symptoms of COVID-19, not prevent infection with the virus known as SARS-CoV-2.

So, If these novel mRNA and DNA shots are declared 95% effective in stopping one or more symptoms of COVID-19, that says nothing at all about prevention of infection with SARS-CoV-2. This is akin to the confusion surrounding HIV -- the virus, and AIDS -- the symptoms and illness that not everyone with HIV infection experiences.

Jersey Born · ‎03-10-2010

@Nonametoday - You are 100% correct in your statement that those infected with SARS-CoV-2 should stay away from everyone.

KLm · ‎12-03-2010

There are so many good comments here that I cannot single out just one or two.

I am sensitive to everyone who for any reason has a compromised immune system.

My P/A and I discussed the vaccine for me. I got the Pfizer one, both doses. We agreed that any immunity from Covid-19 is better than nothing. I might get 50%, I might get 30%. They didn't know.

I already get an Mrna as it is. I am not afraid of an Mrna. I am not afraid of monoclonal antibodies. They have been around for years. As a matter of fact, I am living today because my doctor developed a successful Mrna for my condition. And when this no longer works for me, I hope he has developed a new treatment. He also developed the second treatment I had. When Mrna's are your hope, you take them. Gladly. And praise with a full heart those who have develped them and participated in the trials.

shy bobcat · ‎04-24-2010

@Nonametoday wrote:
@tiny 2 wrote:
@Icegoddess wrote:
This doesn't mean that cancer patients can't get the vaccine, just probably shouldn't get the Pfizer one. I have a friend who is getting ready to start cancer treatments, so I sent him this information. He said just his luck, Pfizer is the one that Vandy (where his oncologist is) is giving out. So, he's looking to try and find a different vaccine.

I actually didn't thnk it was recommended for patients going through chemo to get the vaccine. Maybe that advice has changed since early on.
@Icegoddess

The problem is not the Pfizer vaccine. The problem is that those of us that are on chemo drugs have immune systems that are suppressed and cannot respond as well to a vaccine... any vaccine. The Pfizer vaccine has the highest efficacy. It would be best for him to be vaccinated as soon as possible and get the second dose in 21 days according to this. The problem in the article is that in the UK, the 2nd dose is being delayed. The data is showing the best response to be with the 21 day interval as it is being given here.
@tiny 2 @Icegoddess

That's the same with anyone of us who has suppressed immunity whether from chemo drugs or natural immunity such as I have immunosuppression from massive doses of steroids and also from immunoglobulin deficiency. God has been good to me and I have not acquired the disease - yet. I am not the least bit surprised any day that I come down with it. Some people in the grocery store are so rude and walk right up in your face and even in the doctors' office today, I saw a young girl, looked to be in her mid to late 20s, early 30s, without a mask when clearly the sign stated one must wear a mass according to state law, blah, blah, blah. Once they sign you in, they are behind glass to which the outside is not visible until they open it, so as soon as she sat down, she took her mask off. Then when she was called back, she put it on.

I am currently on this breast cancer journey. I really appreciate information but, suddenly I am overwhelmed with studies and facts so, I must remind myself to follow and trust the advice of my oncologist and, let her read and decipher the medical studies and information.

I did get my first Pfizer vaccine a week ago.