Newly diagnosed with type II diabetes and need hel... - Page 7

Moonchilde · ‎05-23-2010

@Trinity11 wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:
@phoenixbrd
Have you heard of Robby Barbaro, 'Mindful Diabetic'?
He's a T1 Diabetic eating a low fat, fruit-based raw vegan diet.

Dr. John McDougall/Dr. Neal Barnard will say eating
a low fat, high carbohydrate diet will even help the
Type 1 Diabetic due to the body's "intramyocellular lipids".

Majority of LFHC conversations will revolve around curing T2 Diabetes,
but even Type 1 Diabetics can benefit from lowering the
intramyocellular lipids (read=fat) within in the cells....less blood sugar
flucuations, less insulin/medication.
Please watch this video where Robby eats for the day. He has dangerously high blood glucose levels throughout the entire day. He is averaging over 250 for the day. This is extremely risky behavior.
http://foodnsport.com/blog/robby-barbaro-interview-conquering-diabetes-with-fruit-based-diet.html

Not to mention that while 250 is not all that rare for type 1 diabetics, it isn't to be desired - and 250 is very bad for type 2 diabetics who usually do not have insulin around to treat such numbers, nor would most pills be an "instant zap" in the way insulin is. Type 1 and type 2 need to be treated differently in many ways - "diabetes" is not one single, simple disease.

Life without Mexican food is no life at all

ECBG · ‎01-08-2011

I'd call the office and explain what happened on your last appointment as well as that you don't feel well, then I'd schedule a follow up visit with the doctor ASAP.

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

@Trinity11 wrote:
@Moonchilde wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:
@violann
I love your testimony!
Really drives homes the fact...dietary choices make/break T2 diabetes.
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It makes me so sad the Public has been sold a bad set of rules when it comes to T2 diabetes education. The interweb (and this forum) is filled with misinformation...and add in HUGE industry profits (Cattleman Beef Board, National Dairy Council & American Egg Board), no wonder the American Diabetes Association is paired with these powerhouse food councils. Everyone wants a piece of the $$$ Diabetic Pie....but at what cost to the Public?

Food can make it.
Food can break it.

Absolutely this forum is filled with serious misinformation which can be dangerous to the health - every time you post your agenda.
I think eating plants and a reduction of fat in the diet is good advice but high carbohydrate eating like white rice and potatoes would necessitate a need for a lot of oral meds or insulin.

@Trinity11

I know of SO many people who were on T2 Diabetic medication for years & years...and once transitioning to a low fat, whole foods, plant based diet high starches, medication is gone.

Testing is gone.

Blood-sugar-anything worries are gone.

I have a very close friend who had this exact same story...she was on lots of medication. Today the word 'diabetes' isn't even on her radar.

She.Cured.Diabetes....with diet alone.

That's why I'm so passionate about this.

I know first hand Type 2 Diabetes can be cured.

For many people, ignorant is bliss.

That's why there's no much resistance to an alternative discussion.

The interweb, an especially this forum, is very much the traditional western-SAD diet for diabetes control.

I'm just providing a balanced conversation...and a CURE.

Moonchilde · ‎05-23-2010

Life without Mexican food is no life at all

Trinity11 · ‎11-16-2014

@sidsmom wrote:
@Trinity11 wrote:
@Moonchilde wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:
@violann
I love your testimony!
Really drives homes the fact...dietary choices make/break T2 diabetes.
-------
It makes me so sad the Public has been sold a bad set of rules when it comes to T2 diabetes education. The interweb (and this forum) is filled with misinformation...and add in HUGE industry profits (Cattleman Beef Board, National Dairy Council & American Egg Board), no wonder the American Diabetes Association is paired with these powerhouse food councils. Everyone wants a piece of the $$$ Diabetic Pie....but at what cost to the Public?

Food can make it.
Food can break it.

Absolutely this forum is filled with serious misinformation which can be dangerous to the health - every time you post your agenda.
I think eating plants and a reduction of fat in the diet is good advice but high carbohydrate eating like white rice and potatoes would necessitate a need for a lot of oral meds or insulin.
@Trinity11
I know of SO many people who were on T2 Diabetic medication for years & years...and once transitioning to a low fat, whole foods, plant based diet high starches, medication is gone.
Testing is gone.
Blood-sugar-anything worries are gone.

I have a very close friend who had this exact same story...she was on lots of medication. Today the word 'diabetes' isn't even on her radar.
She.Cured.Diabetes....with diet alone.
That's why I'm so passionate about this.
I know first hand Type 2 Diabetes can be cured.

For many people, ignorant is bliss.
That's why there's no much resistance to an alternative discussion.
The interweb, an especially this forum, is very much the traditional western-SAD diet for diabetes control.
I'm just providing a balanced conversation...and a CURE.

There are people with a diagnosis of diabetes who still produce a lot of insulin. For those patients a small change of weight loss and cutting out refined sugar they will put their diabetes into remission. However, when someone is not producing in Phase 1 adequate insulin with Type 2 diabetes, a diet high in carbohydrates will not be effective and dangerous at best. That's why anecdotal stories can be so dangerous. Everyone with type 2 diabetes is not the same.

A healthy diet should be discussed between the patient and their endocrinologist based on their labs and how much insulin they produce (which varies dependent upon the individual)

Diabetes can not be cured. It can be in remission with a meal plan individualized for the diabetic patient but once the patient reverts to old habits they will become diabetic. That is not what the classic definition of a cure is in medicine.

Trinity11 · ‎11-16-2014

@Moonchilde wrote:
@Trinity11 wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:
@phoenixbrd
Have you heard of Robby Barbaro, 'Mindful Diabetic'?
He's a T1 Diabetic eating a low fat, fruit-based raw vegan diet.

Dr. John McDougall/Dr. Neal Barnard will say eating
a low fat, high carbohydrate diet will even help the
Type 1 Diabetic due to the body's "intramyocellular lipids".

Majority of LFHC conversations will revolve around curing T2 Diabetes,
but even Type 1 Diabetics can benefit from lowering the
intramyocellular lipids (read=fat) within in the cells....less blood sugar
flucuations, less insulin/medication.
Please watch this video where Robby eats for the day. He has dangerously high blood glucose levels throughout the entire day. He is averaging over 250 for the day. This is extremely risky behavior.
http://foodnsport.com/blog/robby-barbaro-interview-conquering-diabetes-with-fruit-based-diet.html

Not to mention that while 250 is not all that rare for type 1 diabetics, it isn't to be desired - and 250 is very bad for type 2 diabetics who usually do not have insulin around to treat such numbers, nor would most pills be an "instant zap" in the way insulin is. Type 1 and type 2 need to be treated differently in many ways - "diabetes" is not one single, simple disease.

What I found interesting was that with all his highs he still had no ability to correct them with insulin. He claimed to have a 5.8 A1C which is impossible with the blood sugars he was running. Just another lesson in don't believe everything you read on the Internet.

Moonchilde · ‎05-23-2010

@Trinity11,

For newly diagnosed diabetics especially, it can't be emphasized enough that type 1 is not type 2, and that *every* 'diabetic body' is * different.* There never has been, nor will there ever be, "one size fits all" for diabetes of either type. NO one management, NO one set of strict rules that everyone "must" follow or be considered "bad."

It's all about the *daily* sugars as well as the A1C. And even an A1C of 5.4 isn't healthy if what it really means is that your post-prandial sugars are 225 and your sugars in the wee hours are 60. Those after-meals highs still "count" and still affect your kidneys, eyesight and heart. It's the GOING high that does the damage, regardless of the A1Cs that are balanced out by lows. The idea is to keep those extreme highs from happening and keep things on an even keel.

I know you know this, but the newly diagnosed do not. Sigh.

Life without Mexican food is no life at all

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

@Trinity11

The definition of Cure is,

"relieve (a person or animal) of the symptoms of a disease or condition"

Yes, you can cure T2 diabetes.

It's a fact. It's done every day.

It can be gone, if one chooses.

At one point in time,

Airplanes didn't exit,

Doctors smoked in their office and

The world was considered flat.

Amazing what happens when there's motivation & an open mind.

Moonchilde · ‎05-23-2010

@Trinity11 wrote:
@Moonchilde wrote:
@Trinity11 wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:
@phoenixbrd
Have you heard of Robby Barbaro, 'Mindful Diabetic'?
He's a T1 Diabetic eating a low fat, fruit-based raw vegan diet.

Dr. John McDougall/Dr. Neal Barnard will say eating
a low fat, high carbohydrate diet will even help the
Type 1 Diabetic due to the body's "intramyocellular lipids".

Majority of LFHC conversations will revolve around curing T2 Diabetes,
but even Type 1 Diabetics can benefit from lowering the
intramyocellular lipids (read=fat) within in the cells....less blood sugar
flucuations, less insulin/medication.
Please watch this video where Robby eats for the day. He has dangerously high blood glucose levels throughout the entire day. He is averaging over 250 for the day. This is extremely risky behavior.
http://foodnsport.com/blog/robby-barbaro-interview-conquering-diabetes-with-fruit-based-diet.html

Not to mention that while 250 is not all that rare for type 1 diabetics, it isn't to be desired - and 250 is very bad for type 2 diabetics who usually do not have insulin around to treat such numbers, nor would most pills be an "instant zap" in the way insulin is. Type 1 and type 2 need to be treated differently in many ways - "diabetes" is not one single, simple disease.
What I found interesting was that with all his highs he still had no ability to correct them with insulin. He claimed to have a 5.8 A1C which is impossible with the blood sugars he was running. Just another lesson in don't believe everything you read on the Internet.

It's just bizarre to operate on the theory that the right amount of insulin means you can do whatever you want and don't need to pay attention to anything else.

Life without Mexican food is no life at all

Trinity11 · ‎11-16-2014

@sidsmom wrote:
@Trinity11

The definition of Cure is,
"relieve (a person or animal) of the symptoms of a disease or condition"

Yes, you can cure T2 diabetes.
It's a fact. It's done every day.
It can be gone, if one chooses.

At one point in time,
Airplanes didn't exit,
Doctors smoked in their office and
The world was considered flat.

Amazing what happens when there's motivation & an open mind.

If a person reverts to their old habits they still will have diabetes. If a plant based diet cured diabetes, no matter what the patient ate they would never go diabetic in their lifetime again. In addition, with aging the pancreas will eventually have depleted insulin production often making medication necessary.