Wellness

[sidsmom]

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@HappyDaze wrote:

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@sidsmom wrote:

Removing the ethical aspect, the fact is

Milk from another species is not good for us.

As I mentioned upthread,

"Many people think as long as animal products are grass fed, organic, free ranged & tucked in at night w/ a kiss on the forehead (!), they are 'healthy' or 'good for you'. It could be Unicorn milk sprinkled with fairy dust....it's not good for you. All that extra $$ spent on false advertisement. Wow."

Back to the ethical aspect:

@LilacTree has tapped into an emotion that prohibits drinking milk.  The ethical treatment of these animals caused a strong reaction.  Once you've waken up with this emotion, it's hard to turn back.  Posters giving suggestions for other animal milk alternatives is a nice gesture, but you can't change that emotion with a different animal product.  It's hard to explain but it sounds like the OP understands her actions. 

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I agree- or with suggestions on another brand of cow's milk just because the animals might be treated better. My husband really wants to wean completely off animal derived milk but he hasn't found anything he can tolerate yet (his family is huge on drinking milk, even his almost 90 year old grandma still drinks a glass or two a day) but he has cut wayyyy back on how much he drinks these days. He only drinks a glass or two a week versus one every day like he used to.

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@HappyDaze

Hopefully one day your husband will just say 'no more' & dairy will be a thing of the past!  Luckily we're living in a good time where plant alternatives are plentiful...and really tasty, to boot!

Keep trying different plant based milks for your husband...there are so many on the market today.  Consider even making your own!  Lots of recipes on the Internet for inspiration!

That addiction to milk is real.  It's so hard to give up.  And those are words the Dairy Council LOVES to hear. Mix all those casomorphins with equally addictive properties of fat, sugar & salt....and you have a food product that's very, very hard to remove from your diet.  

I believe the Public IS starting to wise up & recognize the hazards of consuming dairy (having linked to increased fractures, cancer growth, Type 1 diabetes in children, hormones, inflammation...the list goes on & on) .  

Just to have a national commercial for almond milk (Silk) is a HUGE step in the right direction.  

[Toppers]

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@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:

Even if there is a segment of the population and who believe cow's milk is bad for you, there are those who believe it's just fine and actually very healthy.  Articles and info can be cited for either side.  If someone doesn't want to drink it, that's their business.  But if someone else wants to, it's no one's business there either.  Insulting someone for their opinion isn't going to help them change theirs to yours.  

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I agree with you.

Plus, some of the information that is posted here is just not correct, and I would feel bad if someone were to actually trust in it without researching it for themselves.

This is a website that anyone can read, that is open to everyone on the internet.

People should do their own research, and not believe everything that they read here and take it on blind trust. 

People seem to like to practice medicine without credentials and without licenses on the internet. Anyone can say anything that they like. You never know who you could be taking advice from when you just listen to anyone whose posts you read.

[Moonchilde]

LM*O!

There is a contentious "debate" about drinking MILK?

I drink milk. I love milk.  Drinking milk doesn't make me "addicted" (bwahaha) to it and it doesn't make me pro animal abuse. Shall we stop adopting puppies because some puppy mills exist? I don't give a ________ (insert word of choice) what anyone thinks about my dietary choices, especially those who have a crusade of running around the forum proselytizing about restrictive alternative diets and lifestyles.

SMH and chuckling. Some people have a LOT of time on their hands.

[Trinity11]

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@Moonchilde wrote:

LM*O!

There is a contentious "debate" about drinking MILK?

I drink milk. I love milk.  Drinking milk doesn't make me "addicted" (bwahaha) to it and it doesn't make me pro animal abuse. Shall we stop adopting puppies because some puppy mills exist? I don't give a ________ (insert word of choice) what anyone thinks about my dietary choices, especially those who have a crusade of running around the forum proselytizing about restrictive alternative diets and lifestyles.

SMH and chuckling. Some people have a LOT of time on their hands.

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What truly worries me is that Lilac said that she is losing a pound a day. This concerns me because she has described some serious health issues in her previous posts. I hope that she runs this change in diet by her physician and follows his or her's guidance.

[hckynut]

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sidsmom wrote: ko

That addiction to milk is real.  It's so hard to give up.  And those are words the Dairy Council LOVES to hear. Mix all those casomorphins with equally addictive properties of fat, sugar & salt....and you have a food product that's very, very hard to remove from your diet.  

@sidsmom

Pllllleeeese!   Now milk is an addiction? What's next on your list of addictions, carrots? I don't think some have a clue of the makeup of an addict. Keep listening to this nonsense and you will never know.

Ever lived with an Alcoholic? Ever lived with a gambling addict? Ever spent time in a hospital with Meth addicts? I have, and every single one I mentioned above, and then some?

I thought I had read it all on this forum, but oh how wrong was I? Reading some of this nonsense if it were true? Nobody would live past 30 years old.

Believe what you you will, but I am calling out when someone makes these ridiculous statements that a person can become an addict because they like and drink milk, that is utter nonsense.  It takes all kinds?

There was a time most contributors to this forum weren't here to convert other posters. Now I wonder about a certain one.

hckynut(john)

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[KALLIE]

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@hckynut wrote:

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sidsmom wrote: ko

That addiction to milk is real.  It's so hard to give up.  And those are words the Dairy Council LOVES to hear. Mix all those casomorphins with equally addictive properties of fat, sugar & salt....and you have a food product that's very, very hard to remove from your diet.  

@sidsmom

Pllllleeeese!   Now milk is an addiction? What's next on your list of addictions, carrots? I don't think some have a clue of the makeup of an addict. Keep listening to this nonsense and you will never know.

Ever lived with an Alcoholic? Ever lived with a gambling addict? Ever spent time in a hospital with Meth addicts? I have, and every single one I mentioned above, and then some?

I thought I had read it all on this forum, but oh how wrong was I? Reading some of this nonsense if it were true? Nobody would live past 30 years old.

Believe what you you will, but I am calling out when someone makes these ridiculous statements that a person can become an addict because they like and drink milk, that is utter nonsense.  It takes all kinds?

There was a time most contributors to this forum weren't here to convert other posters. Now I wonder about a certain one.

hckynut(john)

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GREAT comments. You're absolutely correct.

[sidsmom]

@hckynut

Um, Food Addiction?

Products made from dairy have salt, fat and/or sugar...the Food Addiction Holy Trinity.

Dairy is a palatable, readily available, government subsidized medium to introduce salt, fat and/or sugar to children at a very young age. Dairy is so calorie dense, it's easy to overeat. Food addiction begins early.

It's SO much of an addiction that obese people are willing to risk their life to permanent cut their stomach in half to stop this addiction...but of course, the odds are stacked heavily against bariatric patients the weight will return because the addiction wasn't addressed.

Rare you will find an obese person becoming overweight with Apples & Kale.

And yes, food addiction is just as real as any other addiction out there & the Dairy Council has tapped into emotion everywhere we turn.  

Back to the OP. She also has a medical condition that does not allow milk in the beginning stages of her treatment. She recognizes the fact dairy is not good for us & also has ethical reasons why she's not consuming dairy. I applaud her...she's recognizing this early in her treatment by removing it entirely....which will make healing easier & quicker in the long run.

[Toppers]

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@hckynut wrote:

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sidsmom wrote: ko

That addiction to milk is real.  It's so hard to give up.  And those are words the Dairy Council LOVES to hear. Mix all those casomorphins with equally addictive properties of fat, sugar & salt....and you have a food product that's very, very hard to remove from your diet.  

@sidsmom

Pllllleeeese!   Now milk is an addiction? What's next on your list of addictions, carrots? I don't think some have a clue of the makeup of an addict. Keep listening to this nonsense and you will never know.

Ever lived with an Alcoholic? Ever lived with a gambling addict? Ever spent time in a hospital with Meth addicts? I have, and every single one I mentioned above, and then some?

I thought I had read it all on this forum, but oh how wrong was I? Reading some of this nonsense if it were true? Nobody would live past 30 years old.

Believe what you you will, but I am calling out when someone makes these ridiculous statements that a person can become an addict because they like and drink milk, that is utter nonsense.  It takes all kinds?

There was a time most contributors to this forum weren't here to convert other posters. Now I wonder about a certain one.

hckynut(john)

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I agree with your post, John.

People will re-post things that they read on the internet here, without posting any source, too.

They'll post it as fact, without indicating where it came from, and someone else might even believe it. That is what concerns me. 

If someone is posting something as their opinion, then to me, they should post it as such, so that there is no confusion to others.

Otherwise, there could be confusion over what is re-posted as an actual article, or someone stating their opinion over an article, and so on. That is what I think about it. It could save a lot of confusion.

Like I've said before, it can be dangerous when there is so much incorrect information that gets posted, too.

People might follow it, as opposed to checking it out for themselves. 

[Trinity11]

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@sidsmom wrote:

@hckynut

Um, Food Addiction?

Products made from dairy have salt, fat and/or sugar...the Food Addiction Holy Trinity.

Dairy is a palatable, readily available, government subsidized medium to introduce salt, fat and/or sugar to children at a very young age. Dairy is so calorie dense, it's easy to overeat. Food addiction begins early.

It's SO much of an addiction that obese people are willing to risk their life to permanent cut their stomach in half to stop this addiction...but of course, the odds are stacked heavily against bariatric patients the weight will return because the addiction wasn't addressed.

Rare you will find an obese person becoming overweight with Apples & Kale.

And yes, food addiction is just as real as any other addiction out there & the Dairy Council has tapped into emotion everywhere we turn.  

Back to the OP. She also has a medical condition that does not allow milk in the beginning stages of her treatment. She recognizes the fact dairy is not good for us & also has ethical reasons why she's not consuming dairy. I applaud her...she's recognizing this early in her treatment by removing it entirely....which will make healing easier & quicker in the long run.

Milk products are an important source of nutrients to someone with gastroparesis. The OP has stated that she has numerous health conditions that clearly are dangerous if she continues to lose a pound a day. She in addition should not be taking the advice of anyone here, rather speak to her physicians about substitutes for dairy products. The weight loss is troubling..

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[LilacTree]

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@Trinity11 wrote:

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@sidsmom wrote:

@hckynut

Um, Food Addiction?

Products made from dairy have salt, fat and/or sugar...the Food Addiction Holy Trinity.

Dairy is a palatable, readily available, government subsidized medium to introduce salt, fat and/or sugar to children at a very young age. Dairy is so calorie dense, it's easy to overeat. Food addiction begins early.

It's SO much of an addiction that obese people are willing to risk their life to permanent cut their stomach in half to stop this addiction...but of course, the odds are stacked heavily against bariatric patients the weight will return because the addiction wasn't addressed.

Rare you will find an obese person becoming overweight with Apples & Kale.

And yes, food addiction is just as real as any other addiction out there & the Dairy Council has tapped into emotion everywhere we turn.  

Back to the OP. She also has a medical condition that does not allow milk in the beginning stages of her treatment. She recognizes the fact dairy is not good for us & also has ethical reasons why she's not consuming dairy. I applaud her...she's recognizing this early in her treatment by removing it entirely....which will make healing easier & quicker in the long run.

Milk products are an important source of nutrients to someone with gastroparesis. The OP has stated that she has numerous health conditions that clearly are dangerous if she continues to lose a pound a day. She in addition should not be taking the advice of anyone here, rather speak to her physicians about substitutes for dairy products. The weight loss is troubling..

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I am not sure who to address this to, but I have been dealing with a family issue for several days and have not kept up with this thread.

I have managed to maintain my weight this week with some of the suggestions in this thread.  I did have a few bites of chicken yesterday at my daughter's house yesterday, and eating pretty much the same breakfast of organic almond milk either in decaf with a plain waffle, or cream of wheat with organic almond milk, which is very filling.  I have also made the banana/applesauce shakes and they are quite tasty, so I imagine they will become a staple.  I imagine that is what is helping with maintaining my weight.  Also including the baked potatoes and white rice in my diet, as well as spinach and eggs, asparagus tips and, of course, fresh salmon when I can get it, if not, frozen.

My symptoms have lessened and this is a diet I think I can live with.  I do miss ice cream and most likely will try to find a good substitute for that next time I shop.

Thank you everyone for your interest and suggestions.  I very much appreciate it.

I 

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