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@Carmie

 

I live in NC, but not in a major urban area. (think Hooterville, DH likes the golf).

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Thank you.  I was checking to see if you lived in one of the eight states that have the MOM law where providers cannot bill you the Medicare excess fee.

 

You do not.  If you did, I would ask you to look at Supplement Plan C, instead of Plan G.

 

You chose a good Plan.  Just be aware that you do not have coverage for the Medicare Part B deductible, which is now $183.  You will have to pay that for outpatient services each year before Medicare kicks in and pays 20%.

 

Plan C pays this Medicare Part B deductible.  Plan C would work well for you if you always went to Medicare assigned providers. But, sometimes that is not possible, especially if you need to see specialists.

 

it sounds  like you are good to go.

 

 

 

 

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@Carmie...& all others that responded..first thank-you for all your information & links to the "touch" vs "non-touch" annual physicals.

 

My PCP Internal Medicine Doc DID explain all of this to me during my last physical &  showed & told me what was covered & what was not covered.

 

I guess I am confused as to what my Supplemental AARP United Health Care Plan F actually does cover.  I thought that it covered everything that my Medicare A & B did not? Evidently it only covers what Medicare does, plus it pays (I actually pay in advance with my premiums) my deductibles & the 20% upcharge that all doctors are legally allowed to charge.

 

Since my Doctor is accepting payment from my Medicare & AARP Supplemental Plan F, I was very surprised that he could continue to charge me more than they covered...is that correct...he CAN legally do that?

 

He did tell me that he was still a "private practice" & NOT controlled or part of any hosptital so he could charge me more than the hospital controlled practices could.

 

My other specialists are all part of Hospital practices & therefore do NOT charge over the Medicare or AARP Suplimental Plan F payments. They can send in $$$$$$, but yet my two insurance plans pay everything...I never get a bill from them for extra charges.

 

I thought I truly understood the whole Medicare/Supplemental Plan F/Plan D insurance that I pay for every month, but I guess I'm lacking about this "touch physical" thing?

 

Why in the world would Medicare NOT cover a "Touch Physical" that is way more preventative than any other form of medicine is beyond me!!!

 

TY all for your help with this...It's Not Easy Being a Senior! LOL

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@wenfen  It sounds like your doctor does not participate with Medicare, so he does not have to accept the Medicare allowance as payment in full.

 

Medicare pays 80%of the allowed charge, and your supplement pays the other 20%.  Plan F also will pay the excess fee over and above not the Medicare allowance....so your covered services should be paid in full by your insurance.

 

example:

 

Doctor visit charge.   $250

 

Medicare allowance.  $175

 

Medicare Payment.    $140... 80%

 

Plan F payment.          $ 35.....20%

plus excess fee           $ 75..... over and above the Medicare allowance

 

The non participating doctor would receive a total of $250, which is 100% of his charge from your Medicare and Plan F Insurance.

 

If he was participating with Medicare, he would not be able to bill the excess fee and would take the $175 payment from Medicare and Plan F and write off the $75.

 

The only way you would receive a bill is if this doctor was providing services that were not covered by Medicare at all.

 

i would make him submit all services to Medicare anyway and not pay him unless the services were denied. Never pay up front.

 

my DH had diagnostic services at his doctor’s office and we received a bill for some of them.  I noticed that not all the services were submitted to insurance, so I called them about it. They said they would not be covered, so they didn’t submit.

 

I told them I needed a denial before we would pay.  They submitted the charges and they were paid by insurance, but only a small amount was allowed...like $2-$4 for  each test.  The doctor was participating and he had to accept those low payments.  He was billing us $15-$20 for each test.

 

Also, your Plan F only pays for deductibles and coinsurances and balances after Medicare pays.  If denied by Medicare, plan F will deny too.  There are some additional expenses that it covers such as foreign expenses that Medicare doesn’t pay at all.

 

You are eligible for a Welcome to Medicare exam within your first 12 months of Medicare.  You are also eligible for a wellness exam every year you have Medicare.  Certain preventative tests and shots are covered by Medicare.  others like the shingles vaccine are covered by your RX insurance.

 

Many preventative tests and services are not covered at all, but they are covered if a covered diagnosis is submitted with the claim.  For instance, If you have high blood presssure and it is listed as the diagnosis on the tests, they will be covered.

 

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@Carmie...WOW!!! You are The BEST!!!! TY for taking the time to wrie & explain EOB etc.

 

While I totally understand the "billing" approved/limits etc. I'm not sure if he's double dipping, gaming the system or this item is just NOT covered by Medicare & he is able to charge me whatever he wants to?

 

I am concerned enough to call his billing dept to ask them to explain the details, then decide if I need to find another doctor.

 

Thanks again for all your help & concern...both are so very rare these days!

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@Carmie wrote:

Thank you.  I was checking to see if you lived in one of the eight states that have the MOM law where providers cannot bill you the Medicare excess fee.

 

You do not.  If you did, I would ask you to look at Supplement Plan C, instead of Plan G.

 

You chose a good Plan.  Just be aware that you do not have coverage for the Medicare Part B deductible, which is now $183.  You will have to pay that for outpatient services each year before Medicare kicks in and pays 20%.

 

Plan C pays this Medicare Part B deductible.  Plan C would work well for you if you always went to Medicare assigned providers. But, sometimes that is not possible, especially if you need to see specialists.

 

it sounds  like you are good to go.

 

 

 

 


@Carmie  the SHIIP case worker told me that Plan C was goiung to be phased out as is Plan F. People in Plan F will be grandfathered in the plan but since no new participants are entering planF, cost may go up exponentially-more than the $183.00 annual  Part B deductable.

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@maestra wrote:

@Carmie wrote:

Thank you.  I was checking to see if you lived in one of the eight states that have the MOM law where providers cannot bill you the Medicare excess fee.

 

You do not.  If you did, I would ask you to look at Supplement Plan C, instead of Plan G.

 

You chose a good Plan.  Just be aware that you do not have coverage for the Medicare Part B deductible, which is now $183.  You will have to pay that for outpatient services each year before Medicare kicks in and pays 20%.

 

Plan C pays this Medicare Part B deductible.  Plan C would work well for you if you always went to Medicare assigned providers. But, sometimes that is not possible, especially if you need to see specialists.

 

it sounds  like you are good to go.

 

 

 

 


@Carmie  the SHIIP case worker told me that Plan C was goiung to be phased out as is Plan F. People in Plan F will be grandfathered in the plan but since no new participants are entering planF, cost may go up exponentially-more than the $183.00 annual  Part B deductable.


I didn’t know that about Plan C.  I wonder if it will be phased out in all 50 states.  Currently it is the best coverage for people who live in only eight states...Pennsylvania being one of them.

 

i was hoping to pick up Plan C for myself, in May 2019. Thanks for the heads up.

 

Just looked it up...it can be purchased anytime before Jan 1, 2020

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Just a recent update on our Advantage plan..we have a $0 premium plan & my husband was in the hospital for 2 weeks in February, this year, followed by 9 days in a ECF for some physical rehab. This was our first experience with a serious illness, since we retired 7 years ago, using our Advantage plan.

The hospital billed our plan about $95,000. So far, we have  been billed $1650, which was for 3 days of hospitalization, our yearly out of pocket is $4900. Anthem paid the ECF, including some home PT, in full. He has had several Dr’s visits since then, which were considered “post-op”visits, with no copays. So, we are certainly not unhappy with our plan at this point in time.

Addendum—Anthem called us while he was in the ECF & told us he was eligible for 20 frozen meals, shipped overnight, for no cost, an unknown benefit. The meals were healthy, the size of a generous Lean Cuisine, included fruit & juice cups.

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@Carmie..So after many phone calls & lots of frustrations I finally spoke with my PCP "coding lady" & also their "outside billing dept"  Here's the long & short of it:

 

My PCP, practice while "named for a hospital" each individual doctor has a separate tax ID number so they are basically billing Medical as a independant contractor & NOT under the practice Tax ID or as the practice. They may or may not be credentialed individualy for billing.

 

They do NOT do the annual Medicare "Wellness" physical as they fell it's not valuable.They instead will only do a "touch complete physical"...which is what I've been getting from this PCP for the last ten years.

 

So here's the money part.  The PCP as an individual charges Medicare & my Plan F an extra $375 for this touch phyical & after it's denied by both my insurance companies & they file knowing it will...they then deduct a $150 discount & send me a bill for $224 which I am responsible for paying out of pocket.

 

When I asked the coding lady why they charge this to "complete physical" CPT code knowing I'll have to pay an extra out of pocket fee...she said "it their choice/descretion to do so"

 

She said that one way around it was to schedule an "office visit" since I already have various pre-existing conditions that they could use as diagnostic codes to justify the same services (EKG, complete touch physical, Complete CBC etc).

 

While I am happy to finally get an honest answer from my PCPs staff, I am now nervous that what happens if I indeed schedule an "office visit"...since that's actually how they billed it last year (he told me it would be the last time) & then when I get into the examing room with him he decides to code it as a "a touch physical" & I will have to pay the extra $224?

 

This is way more stressful & complicated then I wanted & I also wonder do ALL PCP doctors do the same thing?  Is it worth changing doctors for this $224 out of pocket payment?

 

I would Love to hear your thoughts on this...TY in advance for all your help with this!

 

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Personally, I find that all the rules etc with medicare to be very confusing. That is one of the reasons I prefer my advantage plan. It's way more straight forward. Not to even mention , much cheaper.