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On 4/9/2015 Mmsfoxxie said: This so confusing. I will retire in June so I'm getting ready to talk to an insurance navigator. It sounds like most of you are saying that if your health is pretty good and you don't have a lot of prescriptions then Medicare with a supplement for drugs is fine. Or Medicare advantage which would cover everything. Hmo is fine with me because that's what I've always had.

The reason we didn't go with Medicare Advantage for my husband is that we didn't want to give up his traditional Medicare and we weren't interested at all in having an HMO (I don't think all Medicare Advantage programs are HMO's though). With his supplement plan, there are no co-pays for doctor visits, no ER co-pay and no co-pays per day for hospital stays.

I'm kind of a "what if" person. Just cause I may be pretty healthy now, it doesn't mean I always will be and I want to limit as much out of pocket expense if I become ill. In 2012, I was fine when I woke up one morning and 3 hours later I was taken by ambulance to the hospital where I almost died from several blood clots. You just never, never know what's around the corner.

My husband has Parkinson's Disease so we wanted the most comprehensive coverage.

It's all really just a personal choice of affordability and what each person feels comfortable with.


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I agree I am a what if person as well. I want freedom of choice. I live in NJ and have most of my health care in NYC; I don't want that option taken away from me. When I retired, I was given a choice to go with the Company Retiree supplemental with prescriptions or find my own supplemental insurance plan and prescription plan. For price and ease, I stayed with the company plan and it was a good choice and serves me well.
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Thanks for the responses gadget and stray. So what it is is pay as you go or pay later. Either way, healthcare is not affordable for people in the lower income bracket but not poor enough for Medicaid or some other assistance. When I retire, my income will drop but because of healthcare, no longer group, my medical premiums will increase, it seems, drastically. You guys are correct, having health one minute doesn't mean it will be that way tomorrow. I have been told that I have a knee replacement in my future. Other than arthritis, I just have glaucoma for which I have an ongoing script. At age 67, I have been blessed.
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On 4/9/2015 Mmsfoxxie said: This so confusing. I will retire in June so I'm getting ready to talk to an insurance navigator. It sounds like most of you are saying that if your health is pretty good and you don't have a lot of prescriptions then Medicare with a supplement for drugs is fine. Or Medicare advantage which would cover everything. Hmo is fine with me because that's what I've always had.

If you like flexibility and can afford monthly premiums that are perhaps a bit higher, then regular Medicare with a supplement and a Part D drug plan will work regardless of your health history or the number of meds you take. The insurance agency DH and I worked with was able to sit down with us, review the meds each of us takes, and recommend which Part D drug plan would be most cost effective for each of us. They could also explain the costs and coverages, pros and cons of various Medicare Advantage and Medicare supplement ("Medigap") plans. DH and I slogged through all this process last year and feel for others just beginning the confusing journey.

I'd break it down this way:

Medicare Advantage: Simple, everything included under one plan, tight network with limited choices and usually no coverage outside the network, runs like an HMO. If you sign up for one of these, you get a Medicare Advantage card from the insurance plan you join, and that's what you present to providers or facilities when you need care. Your Advantage plan carrier coordinates care and processes/pays your claims. Your Advantage plan is regulated by Medicare, but takes the place of regular Medicare, and you no longer use your Medicare card for medical care. You pay your Medicare Part B premium plus any extra cost (if any) for the Advantage plan. Usually very affordable. Various M.A. plans are offered through a number of providers.

Medicare and a supplement and Part D drug plan: Probably more expensive per month, but much more flexibility. You can go to any provider or facility that accepts Medicare assignment. When you go in for medical care, you present the traditional Medicare card plus your Medicare supplement card. Medicare will process and pay the portion of the expense it covers; the supplement plan picks up the remaining percentage for services approved under Medicare. When you go to your pharmacy, you present the ID card for your Part D drug plan if you opt to sign up for such a plan. You pay for Medicare part B, the monthly premium for the supplement plan, and a monthly premium for the drug plan.

Of course, you also have the option to have just traditional Medicare, pay the Part B premium, let Medicare pay what it will for medical services -- and pick up the rest of the costs out of pocket.

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goodstuff..thanks!! I think I get it now......now the next step is to choose a plan!

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I will be 65 in May and am sorting through all of this. I have some time, as I'm covered under my DH's insurance, so no need to rush into it. But I have been talking with an agent, and he is really pushing United Healthcare Medicare Advantage. I'm wondering why. Any ideas?
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On 4/10/2015 lizzief said: I will be 65 in May and am sorting through all of this. I have some time, as I'm covered under my DH's insurance, so no need to rush into it. But I have been talking with an agent, and he is really pushing United Healthcare Medicare Advantage. I'm wondering why. Any ideas?

I'd be a little leery of an agent who is "pushing" one plan without showing you a variety of plans and clearly telling you what they offer, how they differ, and why he recommends a specific one for you. Different plans are offered in different states, and it's possible the UHC plan is the one the agent feels is the best "bang for your buck" in your area and your individual circumstances.....but he should be able to explain why he thinks this plan is best for you. If you aren't convinced, why not talk to another agent and see what he/she recommends. We were referred to an excellent Medicare insurance agency through a large law firm that deals with elder issues.

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On 4/10/2015 GoodStuff said:
On 4/10/2015 lizzief said: I will be 65 in May and am sorting through all of this. I have some time, as I'm covered under my DH's insurance, so no need to rush into it. But I have been talking with an agent, and he is really pushing United Healthcare Medicare Advantage. I'm wondering why. Any ideas?

I'd be a little leery of an agent who is "pushing" one plan without showing you a variety of plans and clearly telling you what they offer, how they differ, and why he recommends a specific one for you. Different plans are offered in different states, and it's possible the UHC plan is the one the agent feels is the best "bang for your buck" in your area and your individual circumstances.....but he should be able to explain why he thinks this plan is best for you. If you aren't convinced, why not talk to another agent and see what he/she recommends. We were referred to an excellent Medicare insurance agency through a large law firm that deals with elder issues.

Agents get huge commissions for selling these plans, and United Healthcare is very big throughout the country.

The Advantage plans actually cost more to administer than original Medicare, and there has been some talk of doing away with them. I've not met more than 1 in a 100 senior citizens who understand their Medicare Advantage plan, and we didn't either when they began. We just had to slog through it with no warning.

People are told they still have Medicare, which they do. The money deducted from your Social Security for Medicare goes to pay for the Advantage plan. Yes, they still have Medicare, but Medicare is not billed for services. The Advantage plan is billed. I can't tell you how many times Medicare comes back with "you must bill the correct payer". By that time the patient is long gone. You have to get a hold of them and tell them, Medicare says you have a different insurance.

Its very confusing, being told they still have Medicare, but don't bill Medicare. Some of the plans pay so little that the co-pay on them actually covers the entire cost of the visit, and the insurance company pays nothing. United Healthcare is a good company, though. They also administer AARP supplemental plans.

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On 4/10/2015 lizzief said: I will be 65 in May and am sorting through all of this. I have some time, as I'm covered under my DH's insurance, so no need to rush into it. But I have been talking with an agent, and he is really pushing United Healthcare Medicare Advantage. I'm wondering why. Any ideas?

Brokers are independent insurance salesmen who can sell plans from a variety of HI plans. Agents work for specific companies.

I have both a broker and an agent license.

Brokers generally make between $300-$600 commission for each policy they sell. This doesn't add any cost on to you - whether you purchase through an agent or directly from the company. They also often make bonuses after selling a specific number of plans - so the broker may be pushing you to purchase a plan where they may be eligible for a bonus on top of their commission if they sell 100 plans in a year.

There is nothing fishy about this - it's how insurance is sold. But there are also independent sources where you can get more objective information - like your local department of senior services or local senior center.

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This is a fantastic thread. It's a great reminder to us all to be thinking ahead, taking the time to research or reach out for knowledgeable assistance. It is very confusing, but making the wrong choice can be costly. Thanks to all, especially those in the field, for participating and sharing your knowledge. People--do your homework!