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[Annabellethecat66]

It's not brain surgery as to why we are having outbreaks of all of these diseases we haven't had for many years.

People are coming into the country who are not vaccinated. There are others who believe that vaccinations are the cause of Autism.

I was just talking to my daughter about this earlier today. Here's the problem. A child does not HAVE to be vaccinated until it enters school.

That means there are a lot of children who are not vaccinated, young children. These children have not had the shots most American children have had (since they were born).

As long as we have an open society, we are going to encounter problems like this.

I have two grandchildren who are under 5 years old. My daughter said both of the children (2 different daughters) have had the MMR -1st round shots. She said the 2nd round shots are done at the age of 5.

Here's something that happened when my daughters were 12 and 10 years old. The guidelines for when a child should get vaccinated changed.

I had to decide if I wanted my two daughters to get the 2nd MMR shot again. The Dr said they were PROBABLY protected but might not be.

I decided to have them get the shot again because I told the Dr that one day when they want to have children, I didn't want them to ever run the risk of getting sick as adults and especially if they were pregnant.

I think eventually this Country will get to the point of having people present (on their passports) that they've had whatever shots we/this country has its citizens get.

That will be a sad day.

[rac71]

On 1/23/2015 terrier3 said:

On 1/23/2015 Puppy Lips said:

We know a family with 5 kids where the 2nd oldest became Autistic. They did not get any of their younger 3 vaccinated. If someone honestly thinks that the shots could cause autism, I can understand trying to protect the rest of your children and taking their chances by avoiding the shots.

I honestly think the moon is made of green cheese.

There is no scientific proof that vaccines cause autism. But unvaccinated kids DO die from measles, mumps, whooping cough, etc.

ITA. Im a SpED teacher and I have far more Aut/Asperger kids than encephalitis survivors. What I can say is the Aut kids have a better shot of functioning in the world than my encephalitis kids do. Granted, some kids with Autism are very low functioning, but taking the risk of causing lasting damage to a child by refusing to vaccinate, and exposing them to a PREVENTABLE disease seems far more cruel. Makes as much sense to me as smoking, drinking or getting stoned while pregnant. We KNOW what those risks are. Some countries require vaccinations for international travel.

[terrier3]

On 1/23/2015 annabellethecat said:

It's not brain surgery as to why we are having outbreaks of all of these diseases we haven't had for many years.

People are coming into the country who are not vaccinated. There are others who believe that vaccinations are the cause of Autism.

I was just talking to my daughter about this earlier today. Here's the problem. A child does not HAVE to be vaccinated until it enters school.

That means there are a lot of children who are not vaccinated, young children. These children have not had the shots most American children have had (since they were born).

As long as we have an open society, we are going to encounter problems like this.

I have two grandchildren who are under 5 years old. My daughter said both of the children (2 different daughters) have had the MMR -1st round shots. She said the 2nd round shots are done at the age of 5.

Here's something that happened when my daughters were 12 and 10 years old. The guidelines for when a child should get vaccinated changed.

I had to decide if I wanted my two daughters to get the 2nd MMR shot again. The Dr said they were PROBABLY protected but might not be.

I decided to have them get the shot again because I told the Dr that one day when they want to have children, I didn't want them to ever run the risk of getting sick as adults and especially if they were pregnant.

I think eventually this Country will get to the point of having people present (on their passports) that they've had whatever shots we/this country has its citizens get.

That will be a sad day.

Why is that sad? It protects us all from unnecessary diseases.

If you want to go to certain countries in Africa or the ME - you have to have been vaccinated against local diseases.

Polio was ALMOST eradicated in the entire world - that too is making a "comeback".

[LTT1]

On 1/23/2015 AnotherView2 said:

Polio also making a comeback...hopefully not coming to the US.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/05/140507-polio-health-disease-vaccination-war-world/

Whatever it is about polio outbreaks that my internal medicine doctor has facts on, he is outraged that people are not vaccinating their kids against polio. A group that was involved in implementing the vaccine in his hometown of Texarkana, TX, actually paid for his medical school. He did go on and on about people vaccinating their kids. He is from the generation where so many kids died from this disease that was practically eradicated.

[Jersey Born]

You do realize that the resurgence of polio is at least in part due to the live poliovirus drops that are given to children in India and other countries, don't you?

Even the WHO recognizes this and they have a name for this particular, mutated strain of polio which is deadlier than regular polio and leads to way more paralysis than regular polio, too - circulating Vaccine-Derived Poliovirus, or cVDPV.

http://www.who.int/features/qa/64/en/

Indian pediatricians are quite concerned about this, too:

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323371

http://www.issuesinmedicalethics.org/index.php/ijme/article/view/110/1065

If one were to assume that the inactivated polio vaccine has the capacity to erradicate polio, it makes no sense for the much less expensive, live polio drops to be given to any person, in any country in the world, when the live polio vaccine is known to cause vaccine-derived polio, and to spread polio throughout the water systems of countries that do not have access to clean water or plumbing.

And here is something about the incidence of acute flaccid paralysis from the cVDPV:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6137a3.htm

[NoelSeven]

On 1/24/2015 Jersey Born said:

You do realize that the resurgence of polio is at least in part due to the live poliovirus drops that are given to children in India and other countries, don't you?

Even the WHO recognizes this and they have a name for this particular, mutated strain of polio which is deadlier than regular polio and leads to way more paralysis than regular polio, too - circulating Vaccine-Derived Poliovirus, or cVDPV.

http://www.who.int/features/qa/64/en/

Indian pediatricians are quite concerned about this, too:

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323371

http://www.issuesinmedicalethics.org/index.php/ijme/article/view/110/1065

If one were to assume that the inactivated polio vaccine has the capacity to erradicate polio, it makes no sense for the much less expensive, live polio drops to be given to any person, in any country in the world, when the live polio vaccine is known to cause vaccine-derived polio, and to spread polio throughout the water systems of countries that do not have access to clean water or plumbing.

And here is something about the incidence of acute flaccid paralysis from the cVDPV:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6137a3.htm

It seems your conclusion is incorrect, AND the WHO is not worried about the vaccine itself.

From your source:

Hence, the problem is not with the vaccine itself, but low vaccination coverage. If a population is fully immunized, they will be protected against both vaccine-derived and wild polioviruses.

[dooBdoo]

On 1/24/2015 NoelSeven said:

On 1/24/2015 Jersey Born said:

You do realize that the resurgence of polio is at least in part due to the live poliovirus drops that are given to children in India and other countries, don't you?

Even the WHO recognizes this and they have a name for this particular, mutated strain of polio which is deadlier than regular polio and leads to way more paralysis than regular polio, too - circulating Vaccine-Derived Poliovirus, or cVDPV.

http://www.who.int/features/qa/64/en/

Indian pediatricians are quite concerned about this, too:

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323371

http://www.issuesinmedicalethics.org/index.php/ijme/article/view/110/1065

If one were to assume that the inactivated polio vaccine has the capacity to erradicate polio, it makes no sense for the much less expensive, live polio drops to be given to any person, in any country in the world, when the live polio vaccine is known to cause vaccine-derived polio, and to spread polio throughout the water systems of countries that do not have access to clean water or plumbing.

And here is something about the incidence of acute flaccid paralysis from the cVDPV:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6137a3.htm

It seems your conclusion is incorrect, AND the WHO is not worried about the vaccine itself.

From your source:

Hence, the problem is not with the vaccine itself, but low vaccination coverage. If a population is fully immunized, they will be protected against both vaccine-derived and wild polioviruses.

I'm glad you're posting corrections, Noel. I'm dealing with a bad migraine cycle, just don't feel like responding to all these links and posting what all the articles and papers actually say. I don't mean to offend, but I'm afraid some posters provide their own misinterpretations of what's found at the links they post and a lot of readers don't have the time to go and read for themselves to see what's actually been published. That's one of the reasons we see so much bad info shared and spread.

[dooBdoo]

On 1/23/2015 Jezzebell said:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/22/the-devastating-impact-of-vaccine-deniers...

The devastating impact of vaccine deniers

If you want to quantify the alarming impact of the anti-vaccine movement, the chart above is a good place to start.

It plots the cumulative number of new measles cases by month, for each year from 2001 to 2014.

There were 644 new measles cases in 27 states last year, according to the CDC.

That's the biggest annual number we've seen in nearly a quarter-century.

The vast majority of people who contracted the disease were unvaccinated, including the dozens of cases related to an outbreak at Disneyland in Orange County, California, which is basically Ground Zero in our current epidemic of anti-vaccine hysteria.

A 2014 AP-GfK survey found that only 51 percent of Americans were confident that vaccines are safe and effective, which is similar to the proportion who believe that houses can be haunted by ghosts.

I don't need to make the case about how harmful these beliefs are -- it's been done plenty of times before, and moreover studies show that arguing with anti-vaxxers only makes them more confident in their beliefs.

But the latest CDC data illustrate the troubling resurgence of a disease that, as of 2000, had been declared eliminated.

Anti-vaxxers are quite literally turning back the clock on decades of public health progress.

Thanks for this article, and the graphics, Jezzebell. It's disgraceful what the followers of charlatans, questionable internet "experts," and entertainment-industry celebrities are doing to the welfare of public health.

[NoelSeven]

On 1/24/2015 dooBdoo said:

On 1/24/2015 NoelSeven said:

On 1/24/2015 Jersey Born said:

You do realize that the resurgence of polio is at least in part due to the live poliovirus drops that are given to children in India and other countries, don't you?

Even the WHO recognizes this and they have a name for this particular, mutated strain of polio which is deadlier than regular polio and leads to way more paralysis than regular polio, too - circulating Vaccine-Derived Poliovirus, or cVDPV.

http://www.who.int/features/qa/64/en/

Indian pediatricians are quite concerned about this, too:

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323371

http://www.issuesinmedicalethics.org/index.php/ijme/article/view/110/1065

If one were to assume that the inactivated polio vaccine has the capacity to erradicate polio, it makes no sense for the much less expensive, live polio drops to be given to any person, in any country in the world, when the live polio vaccine is known to cause vaccine-derived polio, and to spread polio throughout the water systems of countries that do not have access to clean water or plumbing.

And here is something about the incidence of acute flaccid paralysis from the cVDPV:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6137a3.htm

It seems your conclusion is incorrect, AND the WHO is not worried about the vaccine itself.

From your source:

Hence, the problem is not with the vaccine itself, but low vaccination coverage. If a population is fully immunized, they will be protected against both vaccine-derived and wild polioviruses.

I'm glad you're posting corrections, Noel. I'm dealing with a bad migraine cycle, just don't feel like responding to all these links and posting what all the articles and papers actually say. I don't mean to offend, but I'm afraid some posters provide their own misinterpretations of what's found at the links they post and a lot of readers don't have the time to go and read for themselves to see what's actually been published. That's one of the reasons we see so much bad info shared and spread.

I didn't feel like going through it all, I've still got "the cough"

I agree with what you've said above. The issue is more complex than saying the WHO is worried about the vaccine, it's about not having a fully immunized population, which we are seeing at work in America with the lack of vaccinations for measles.

There are enough American children who are unvaccinated so that it poses a threat to those who are. That's a basic vaccination principle.

None of this is an overwhelming problem, but it does go back to the herd theory. We simply can't have large numbers of unvaccinated children in this country and not expect dire consequences.

Hope you feel better soon, dBd

[NoelSeven]

ps As of last night, the count of measles affected children in the US is now up to 78.