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On 1/23/2015 kathoderay said:

On 1/23/2015 terrier3 said:

On 1/23/2015 Puppy Lips said:

We know a family with 5 kids where the 2nd oldest became Autistic. They did not get any of their younger 3 vaccinated. If someone honestly thinks that the shots could cause autism, I can understand trying to protect the rest of your children and taking their chances by avoiding the shots.

I honestly think the moon is made of green cheese.

There is no scientific proof that vaccines cause autism. But unvaccinated kids DO die from measles, mumps, whooping cough, etc.

The anti-vaxxers want everyone to think otherwise. This topic drives me nuts because I have a friend who won't vaccinate her beautiful son for fear he's going to get autism. I just want to smack her sometimes. Ugh!

LOL, they are crying about "healthy immune systems" yet doesn't a vaccination provide immunity by introducing a small amount of the virus? DUH. You know, we had a whooping cough epidemic in phila a few years back there were over 80 kids who couldn't BREATHE. Do these people know how serious these illnesses are? So sad... You would think new age would mean learning more information than was currently available I think people get more and more goofy as time goes on. Sad

[javala]

On 1/25/2015 NoelSeven said:

On 1/25/2015 javala said:

On 1/25/2015 NoelSeven said:

On 1/25/2015 javala said:

On 1/25/2015 Jackielee said:

Javala, My husband works for Border and Immigration and we live in SoCal,so , believe me, we are not happy about any of this illegal problem. However, the highest rate of children not being vaccinated here in Southern California is in the higher income areas. One of the schools here in south Orange County(which is very affluent) has a 57% non-vaccination rate. Schools with a high immigrant population ? Their rates are much lower.

Jackielee-I know what you are saying and appreciate your point of view, and my POV is if people are not going to get the vaccination, than they need to fortify their Immune system with natural probiotics, it comes in many forums, even delicious fermented foods.

Probiotics help with bacteria but will not help fight a virus. They will help with digestion in either case, though. Measles is a virus.

Re: probiotics and the immune system...

"Unfortunately, the direct connection between taking these products and improving immune function has not yet been made."

Harvard Medical School

http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/how-to-boost-your-immune-system

other reputable source seem to disagree with you

Measles Vaccines Part II; Benefits of Contracting Measles ~ by Dr Viera Scheibner (PhD) - See more at: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/29/measles-vaccines-part-ii-benefits-of-contracting-measl...

Having a strong immune system is a defense mechanism making it hard to penetrate... or to hang around long...

PART 1

Measles Vaccines Part I; Ineffectiveness of Vaccination and Unintended Consequences. ~ by Dr Viera Scheibner (PhD) - See more at:

http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/18/the-ineffectiveness-of-measles-vaccines-and-other-unin...

Disagree with me about what? The subject quoted was about probiotics and the immune system.

I see nothing about that subject in your links above.

It has been known for a long time that Europe is far ahead of us

US because of the FDA we suffer fools....

It seems you the one that did not read the article 1 & 2

They found that at the Steiner schools in Sweden, “52% of the children had had antibiotics in the past, compared with 90% in the control schools…18% and 93% of children respectively, had had combined immunisation against measles, mumps, and rubella, and 61% of the children at the Steiner schools had had measles”. “Fermented vegetables, containing live lactobacilli, consumed by 63% of the children at Steiner schools, were compared with 4.5% at the control schools….Skin-p rick tests and blood tests showed that the children from Steiner schools had lower prevalence of atopy than controls”.

I end with an important message from history, which unfortunately fell on deaf ears and which has not lost its relevance to modern medical practice.

In a letter to the Duchess Sophia, mother of the future George I of England, Princess Elizabeth Charlotte (Liselotte) von der Pfalz, Duchess of Orleans and widow of the younger brother of Louis XIV, wrote:

Our misfortune continues. The doctors have made the same mistake treating the little Dauphin as they did ministering to his mother, the Dauphiness.

When the child was quite red from the rash and perspired profusely, they [the doctors] performed phlebotomy and administered strong emetics; the child died during these operations.

Everybody knows that the doctors caused the death of the Dauphin, since his little brother who had the same sickness, was hidden away from the 9 physicians who were busy with his older brother, by the young maids, who have given him a little wine with biscuits.

Yesterday, when the child had high fever, they wanted also to perform phlebotomy but his two governessess were firmly opposed to the idea and instead kept the child warm. This one also would have certainly died if the doctors had had their way.

I do not understand why they don’t learn by experience. Had they no heart, when they saw the Dauphiness die after phlebotomy and emetics, not to dispose of her child? Koprowski (1962) summarised the still relevant historic message, ”Avoid physicians and thou will be cured.”

Summary Despite their long history of failures and tragedies arising from their observed derailing effects on the immune system, outdated procedures for both disease prevention, i.e. vaccination, and disease management, i.e. treatment hostile to the body’s defences, such as antibiotics and anti-pyretics, remain standard practice to this day.

The damage already done will continue to affect future generations for some time to come. The unscientific standard procedures should be abandoned and the natural processes and the innate intelligence of the immune system respected.

Medicine should adopt a common sense attitude to natural infectious diseases and their vital role in priming and maturing the immune system, for children’s long-term benefit. -

- See more at: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/29/measles-vaccines-part-ii-benefits-of-contracting-measle...

Measles Vaccines Part I; Ineffectiveness of Vaccination and Unintended Consequences. ~ by Dr Viera Scheibner (PhD) - See more at:

[AnotherView2]

Beware. Vaccinationcouncil.org is an anti vaccination website. So, naturally their view will be skewed.

[dooBdoo]

On 1/25/2015 AnotherView2 said:

Beware. Vaccinationcouncil.org is an anti vaccination website. So, naturally their view will be skewed.

Exactly.

javala, I'm not going to quote Post #101, but as several of us wrote in previous posts you are reading and quoting from a dreadfully unreliable, unscientific, website created to promote the anti-vaccine movement.

It doesn't serve your position well to keep using such sites as references.

(eta: I try to make a point of not repeating posts which contain bad info, because I think every time it's repeated it gains more unwarranted "life.")

[NoelSeven]

On 1/25/2015 javala said:

On 1/25/2015 NoelSeven said:

On 1/25/2015 javala said:

On 1/25/2015 NoelSeven said:

On 1/25/2015 javala said:

On 1/25/2015 Jackielee said:

Javala, My husband works for Border and Immigration and we live in SoCal,so , believe me, we are not happy about any of this illegal problem. However, the highest rate of children not being vaccinated here in Southern California is in the higher income areas. One of the schools here in south Orange County(which is very affluent) has a 57% non-vaccination rate. Schools with a high immigrant population ? Their rates are much lower.

Jackielee-I know what you are saying and appreciate your point of view, and my POV is if people are not going to get the vaccination, than they need to fortify their Immune system with natural probiotics, it comes in many forums, even delicious fermented foods.

Probiotics help with bacteria but will not help fight a virus. They will help with digestion in either case, though. Measles is a virus.

Re: probiotics and the immune system...

"Unfortunately, the direct connection between taking these products and improving immune function has not yet been made."

Harvard Medical School

http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/how-to-boost-your-immune-system

other reputable source seem to disagree with you

Measles Vaccines Part II; Benefits of Contracting Measles ~ by Dr Viera Scheibner (PhD) - See more at: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/29/measles-vaccines-part-ii-benefits-of-contracting-measl...

Having a strong immune system is a defense mechanism making it hard to penetrate... or to hang around long...

PART 1

Measles Vaccines Part I; Ineffectiveness of Vaccination and Unintended Consequences. ~ by Dr Viera Scheibner (PhD) - See more at:

http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/18/the-ineffectiveness-of-measles-vaccines-and-other-unin...

Disagree with me about what? The subject quoted was about probiotics and the immune system.

I see nothing about that subject in your links above.

It has been known for a long time that Europe is far ahead of us

US because of the FDA we suffer fools....

It seems you the one that did not read the article 1 & 2

They found that at the Steiner schools in Sweden, “52% of the children had had antibiotics in the past, compared with 90% in the control schools…18% and 93% of children respectively, had had combined immunisation against measles, mumps, and rubella, and 61% of the children at the Steiner schools had had measles”. “Fermented vegetables, containing live lactobacilli, consumed by 63% of the children at Steiner schools, were compared with 4.5% at the control schools….Skin-p rick tests and blood tests showed that the children from Steiner schools had lower prevalence of atopy than controls”.

I end with an important message from history, which unfortunately fell on deaf ears and which has not lost its relevance to modern medical practice.

In a letter to the Duchess Sophia, mother of the future George I of England, Princess Elizabeth Charlotte (Liselotte) von der Pfalz, Duchess of Orleans and widow of the younger brother of Louis XIV, wrote:

Our misfortune continues. The doctors have made the same mistake treating the little Dauphin as they did ministering to his mother, the Dauphiness.

When the child was quite red from the rash and perspired profusely, they [the doctors] performed phlebotomy and administered strong emetics; the child died during these operations.

Everybody knows that the doctors caused the death of the Dauphin, since his little brother who had the same sickness, was hidden away from the 9 physicians who were busy with his older brother, by the young maids, who have given him a little wine with biscuits.

Yesterday, when the child had high fever, they wanted also to perform phlebotomy but his two governessess were firmly opposed to the idea and instead kept the child warm. This one also would have certainly died if the doctors had had their way.

I do not understand why they don’t learn by experience. Had they no heart, when they saw the Dauphiness die after phlebotomy and emetics, not to dispose of her child? Koprowski (1962) summarised the still relevant historic message, ”Avoid physicians and thou will be cured.”

Summary Despite their long history of failures and tragedies arising from their observed derailing effects on the immune system, outdated procedures for both disease prevention, i.e. vaccination, and disease management, i.e. treatment hostile to the body’s defences, such as antibiotics and anti-pyretics, remain standard practice to this day.

The damage already done will continue to affect future generations for some time to come. The unscientific standard procedures should be abandoned and the natural processes and the innate intelligence of the immune system respected.

Medicine should adopt a common sense attitude to natural infectious diseases and their vital role in priming and maturing the immune system, for children’s long-term benefit. -

- See more at: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/29/measles-vaccines-part-ii-benefits-of-contracting-measle...

Measles Vaccines Part I; Ineffectiveness of Vaccination and Unintended Consequences. ~ by Dr Viera Scheibner (PhD) - See more at:

Oh, I did read your links. Once again, no direct relation to your claim that probiotics strengthen the immune system, not to mention that you used a non-credible site.

[NoelSeven]

On 1/25/2015 dooBdoo said:

On 1/25/2015 AnotherView2 said:

Beware. Vaccinationcouncil.org is an anti vaccination website. So, naturally their view will be skewed.

Exactly.

javala, I'm not going to quote Post #101, but as several of us wrote in previous posts you are reading and quoting from a dreadfully unreliable, unscientific, website created to promote the anti-vaccine movement.

It doesn't serve your position well to keep using such sites as references.

(eta: I try to make a point of not repeating posts which contain bad info, because I think every time it's repeated it gains more unwarranted "life.")

I'd like to delete the extraneous false claims but I'm on the iPad now.

[NoelSeven]

Breaking News, Northern California: Gilroy Costco warning to shoppers there Sunday, January 18. Measles exposure.

[javala]

On 1/25/2015 dooBdoo said:

On 1/25/2015 AnotherView2 said:

Beware. Vaccinationcouncil.org is an anti vaccination website. So, naturally their view will be skewed.

Exactly.

javala, I'm not going to quote Post #101, but as several of us wrote in previous posts you are reading and quoting from a dreadfully unreliable, unscientific, website created to promote the anti-vaccine movement.

It doesn't serve your position well to keep using such sites as references.

(eta: I try to make a point of not repeating posts which contain bad info, because I think every time it's repeated it gains more unwarranted "life.")

You want it get it who is stopping you, just leave the rest of us who don't want it alone also allowing others to think for themselves by having all the information be available...

this is the trouble with group think every one is to make the group feel better by complying with their amber color view of the world...

[javala]

On 1/25/2015 javala said:

On 1/25/2015 dooBdoo said:

On 1/25/2015 AnotherView2 said:

Beware. Vaccinationcouncil.org is an anti vaccination website. So, naturally their view will be skewed.

Exactly.

javala, I'm not going to quote Post #101, but as several of us wrote in previous posts you are reading and quoting from a dreadfully unreliable, unscientific, website created to promote the anti-vaccine movement.

It doesn't serve your position well to keep using such sites as references.

(eta: I try to make a point of not repeating posts which contain bad info, because I think every time it's repeated it gains more unwarranted "life.")

You want it get it who is stopping you, just leave the rest of us who don't want it alone also allowing others to think for themselves by having all the information be available...

this is the trouble with group think every one is to make the group feel better by complying with their amber color view of the world...

BTW how can that site be so dreadful when they produce such minds like the owners of Google Rudolf Steiner is the founder of the Montessori schools

I don't agree with everything they do but many of brilliant minds have been produced by their education.

Also I was accused of not reading the site, and when I show the group it is they who did not read it, all of sudden it is not up to your approval, no one should ever live their life to get approval of the group but by doing the right thing!

[NoelSeven]

On 1/25/2015 javala said:

On 1/25/2015 dooBdoo said:

On 1/25/2015 AnotherView2 said:

Beware. Vaccinationcouncil.org is an anti vaccination website. So, naturally their view will be skewed.

Exactly.

javala, I'm not going to quote Post #101, but as several of us wrote in previous posts you are reading and quoting from a dreadfully unreliable, unscientific, website created to promote the anti-vaccine movement.

It doesn't serve your position well to keep using such sites as references.

(eta: I try to make a point of not repeating posts which contain bad info, because I think every time it's repeated it gains more unwarranted "life.")

You want it get it who is stopping you, just leave the rest of us who don't want it alone also allowing others to think for themselves by having all the information be available...

this is the trouble with group think every one is to make the group feel better by complying with their amber color view of the world...

You don't have all the information available because you'd need to add science, and I didn't see anyone tell you to get a vaccination or force you into the conversation.