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@rms1954 wrote:

Because that's how they look at us and that's how we act.  We let ourselves be treated as animals ... we do as we are told (unless, of course, we think for ourselves and react independently.)

 

We are not treated as independent individuals who can think for ourselves.


Is that only now, or does that apply to the recent past?? Irony

 

I assume the term herd immunity has been in existence for a very long time.

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@Greeneyedlady21  The term herd immunity dates back to the early 1900s so it has been around quite a long time and has been something that has born out to work time and time again.

 

If not for herd immunity smallpox would never have been eradicated.  Suffice it to say that many that are here today would not be if not for trying to achieve herd immunity with smallpox vaccinations.  

 

And @Porcelain, the term free riders has been around for some time as well.  


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@Jersey Born wrote:

@Porcelain - People who do not want to take the experimental inoculations against one or more COVID-19 illness symptoms (and not against SARS-CoV-2 infection or SARS-CoV-2 infection) are not seeking a free ride off the backs of others, because the COVID-19 inoculations will not protect the un-injected people from infection with the actual virus, and instead, the inoculations may turn the injected people into asymptomatic carriers of SARS-CoV-2, which will not help anyone who is not injected.  

 

I am not grateful to anyone receiving a COVID-19 shot, but I sure do pray for every one of them, that they do not suffer severe side effects from the mRNA (or the just-approved adenovirus-vectored DNA) injections or develop ADE. Antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) is a very real concern for medical researchers, and there is a very real possibility that those injected could experience a worsening of lung infiltration with the SARS-CoV-2 virus upon actual viral challenge.

 

So far, 1,095 deaths from the COVID-19 shots have been reported to VAERS, and the symptom onset descriptions are disturbing. Also upsetting is this article in the New York Times - "As Millions Get Shots, F.D.A. Struggles to Get Safety Monitoring System Running". The BEST system that was supposed to be functional is not capturing the injection injury data at all.  I find that unacceptable and uncaring.


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One can say that 1,095 deaths have occurred after vaccination but one absolutely cannot say that 1,095 deaths occurred due to Covid-19 vaccination. 

 

All healthcare providers are required to report any death after vaccination. 

 

I know of one specific example that is in this data.  A  friend of ours was diagnosed with early onset dementia some time ago.  She was in a long term care facility and not doing well with advancing problems of swallowing, etc.  Our state had a rigorous program to vaccinate all individuals in long term care so she was vaccinated.

 

However, she died within 72 hours of receiving the vaccine.  She did aspirate and had a chest x-ray that documented aspiration pneumonia which is a leading cause of death in those with dementia.  Aspiration pneumonia secondary to Alzheimer's is cause of death on her death certificate.  But since her death occurred after vaccination and she was in a long term care facility, her death was entered into  VAERS. 

 

 


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Re: Herd Immunity

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With all respect, @pitdakota, what you wrote is correct about VAERS, but it is also known that Harvard did a study showing that only 1% of vaccine injuries are ever reported to VAERS, so even at 1,095 deaths, the number of deaths occurring after vaccination is likely enormously underreported.  

 

While it is true that correlation does not equal causation, correlation does not in any way negate causation, either.  Sometimes, when a person is hit by a bus, the bus actually did cause their death, even if they had co-morbidities that would have led to their death regardless of the bus having hit them.  Not saying that is what happened to the woman you know, of course, as I have no idea what actually took her life. I will say that very few people have ever heard of VAERS, and if a person dies, only their surviving relative, nurse or doctor can report the death to VAERS. The dead do not report to VAERS, and reporting vaccine injuries or even suspected vaccine injuries to VAERS is not mandatory.  

 

Our statistics during this entire pandemic have been suboptimal and even misleading. 

 

The PCR Test being used is being cycled way too many times (some tests are done at 45 cycles when anything over 30 cycles is way too high) giving up to a 97% false positive rate for SARS-CoV-2 infection.  People are being quarantined who should not be quarantined. Of course, there are false negatives, too.  Infection rates are likely  lower than reported in the news.  The developer of the PCR test, Kary Mullis, admitted before his untimely death that the PCR test cannot detect an active infection in anyone, yet that is precisely what PCR testing is being used to do, and in real time, too, making everyone perpetually terrified.

 

The 500,000 death rate from COVID-19 is inaccurate.  Yes, many people have died from the illness as COVID-19 is a very serious illness for many people over a certain age and with certain co-morbidities, but if many of those 500,000 deaths are being counted as COVID deaths even after a person has recovered from the virus as long as their death occurred within 30 days of a positive PCR test, then the death count is not accurate, and is likely grossly inflated, and that is not acceptable. People are being terrorized with these statistics.  

 

Anti-viral medicines have been denied to many who develop COVID-19 symptoms, when they should be given at the earliest possible moment, not when viral replication is way out of control and a person must report to a hospital with breathing difficulties due to severe lung infection.  How can hospital personnel save a life at that grave point in the progression of the illness? I find the lack of early treatment unconscionable.  Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin along with Azithromycin and zinc were found to be helpful in fighting SARS-CoV-2 replication.  Vitamin D supplementation, alone, was found to cut the death rate from COVID-19 in half. Why aren't doctors prescribing these drugs and supplements for their patients automatically?  Why are doctor's hands tied by their institutions, and beyond, preventing them from prescribing off-label Rx to fight a novel virus, when they have personally witnessed that those drugs save lives?  Why should doctor's be forced to follow a protocol that is non-existent-- i.e. telling countless numbers of patients to go home without any medicine or supplements at all, and only to return to a hospital if they have trouble breathing and it is too late to save their lives with any treatment, experimental, or not? I blame a large number of the deaths from COVID-19 on this terrible failing. How many families were and continue to be unnecessarily destroyed? I have repeatedly read about several COVID-19 deaths occurring in one single family.  Perhaps the earliest victims could not be saved, but once it was known about the effects of these existing drugs, the drugs should have all been granted emergency use authorization to be repurposed for use against COVID-19.  Some doctors spoke out about this, and they were either maligned in the press or ignored.

 

My friend's grandmother did not die from COVID-19 in her nursing home, and in fact she tested negative twice for SARS-CoV-2 infection, yet her death was listed as a COVID-19 death regardless.  My friend who takes COVID-19 very seriously, as we all should, was freaked out that she and her mom needed to quarantine for 14 days, so she called the Health Department.  Long story short, the death certificate was altered to reflect that her grandmother did not die from COVID-19, and my friend and her mom who touched grandma's body in her coffin did not need to quarantine after all.

 

I think the statistics have been terribly off from the start of this pandemic, and those problems have yet to be fixed, but that is not to say that families have not been devastated due to deaths from this virus and the lack of treatment for it, because they sure have been.

 

Sorry for the length of this.   

 

 

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@Jersey Born wrote:

@Porcelain - People who do not want to take the experimental inoculations against one or more COVID-19 illness symptoms (and not against SARS-CoV-2 infection or SARS-CoV-2 infection) are not seeking a free ride off the backs of others, because the COVID-19 inoculations will not protect the un-injected people from infection with the actual virus, and instead, the inoculations may turn the injected people into asymptomatic carriers of SARS-CoV-2, which will not help anyone who is not injected.  

 

I am not grateful to anyone receiving a COVID-19 shot, but I sure do pray for every one of them, that they do not suffer severe side effects from the mRNA (or the just-approved adenovirus-vectored DNA) injections or develop ADE. Antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) is a very real concern for medical researchers, and there is a very real possibility that those injected could experience a worsening of lung infiltration with the SARS-CoV-2 virus upon actual viral challenge.

 

So far, 1,095 deaths from the COVID-19 shots have been reported to VAERS, and the symptom onset descriptions are disturbing. Also upsetting is this article in the New York Times - "As Millions Get Shots, F.D.A. Struggles to Get Safety Monitoring System Running". The BEST system that was supposed to be functional is not capturing the injection injury data at all.  I find that unacceptable and uncaring.


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One can say that 1,095 deaths have occurred after vaccination but one absolutely cannot say that 1,095 deaths occurred due to Covid-19 vaccination. 

 

All healthcare providers are required to report any death after vaccination. 

 

I know of one specific example that is in this data.  A  friend of ours was diagnosed with early onset dementia some time ago.  She was in a long term care facility and not doing well with advancing problems of swallowing, etc.  Our state had a rigorous program to vaccinate all individuals in long term care so she was vaccinated.

 

However, she died within 72 hours of receiving the vaccine.  She did aspirate and had a chest x-ray that documented aspiration pneumonia which is a leading cause of death in those with dementia.  Aspiration pneumonia secondary to Alzheimer's is cause of death on her death certificate.  But since her death occurred after vaccination and she was in a long term care facility, her death was entered into  VAERS. 

 

 


Yeah, reported deaths are a bit unreliable. If you dug deep into the records you would find my grandmother listed as a cancer-related death. Did she have cancer? No. Why was she listed as such? The doc who filled out her death certificate saw that she'd had a mastectomy and therefore assumed she'd had breast cancer. (She'd had the mastectomy due to cysts instead.) She'd never had cancer, but since cancer was listed as a cause of death, in the official records she is a cancer-related death. 

 

We've seen similar instances in the Covid-era. Accident victims who also tested positive for Covid were listed as Covid deaths despite dying in an accident that was completely unrelated to Covid. Would they have died of Covid if they didn't die in the accident first? Probably not. But they died and they had Covid, so they're a Covid-related death.

 

I have hemophilia. Whatever kills me down the road, bleeding-related or not, hemophilia will be listed as a cause of death. I could get struck by lightning and hemophilia would be listed among the causes of death. It's how the system works. 

 

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@Jersey Born, may I ask what you mean when you say the PCR test is being cycled too many times? 

 

Where I live the testing and the numbers of positive cases are down. I don't think its because of the vaccine, because it isn't a huge number of people who been vaccinated, we are still in 1A.

 

I wouldn't think it would be herd immunity, but it doesn't make sense to me that the numbers of positives are a fraction of what they had been a few months ago.

I do know its not because the people here have all started wearing masks and social distancing. 

 

Yet, I still am hearing about people who die of it, the latest my sons co worker who was only in his 50's, who had covid and ended up with double pneumonia.

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@happycat - Here is an article explaining the PCR test cycling:

 

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1491/5912603

 

In case the link is not permitted, the article is entitled, "Correlation Between 3790 Quantitative Polymerase Chain Reaction–Positives Samples and Positive Cell Cultures, Including 1941 Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 Isolates" and it appeared in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases on 28 September 2020.  The authors are Rita Jaafar, Sarah Aherfi, Nathalie Wurtz, Clio Grimaldier, Thuan Van Hoang, Philippe Colson, Didier Raoult, Bernard La Scola. 

 

The article uses the term "cycle thresholds" or "Ct".  On January 20, 2021, the WHO altered their recommendations on the Ct used for PCR testing.  https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

 

I have no idea how many cycles are currently being used for the PCR testing that is being done to diagnose people in our country. I believe it was way too many cycles previously, and the reason that there are fewer cases right now is that the number of cycles has been reduced, producing fewer positive cases. 

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I totally agree! We are not a herd of cattle or whatever!Man Frustrated

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More than 265 million people in 108 countries have been vaccinated for covid-19, countries that have access to hydroxychloroquine I might add.  Medical experts who have studied vaccines as their profession not just in the U. S. but around the world have not risen up demanding that the public listen to them as this is all one big conspiracy theory. 

 

Instead, it is being said that if just 1% of those vaccinated succumbed to the many theories supposedly attributed to the vaccines, it could not be hidden from public view. People who want to continue to read medical abstracts and copy that information here are not doing anyone any favors. 

 

 

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Oh my goodness. So many conspiracy theories still being thrown about.  It's amazing and scary at the same time.

 

It's always a "friend's relative" or someone a "friend knows" who was listed as having died from Covid but didn't really.  This little bit of misinformation has been going around for just about a year now.  It was said once and just keeps getting repeated over and over as a fact.