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@Icegoddess wrote:

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@Drythe wrote:

@Icegoddess 

@Nonametoday 

Of note -

The COVID-19 vaccines do not change DNA 🧬.

Two of them alter RNA.

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@Drythe I wasn't buying it, just having a little fun with it.

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That would be great if only there weren't people who would take as gospel the most absurd joke you could come up with.

[lovesrecess]

I have never had any bad reaction to a vaccine until I had the high-strength flu vaccine the past two years. Both times, I had the same reactions some of the trial patients described: severe chills, muscle stiffness, fever, cold sweat....lasted several hours. After hearing their reports, I am not so sure I would want to get this vaccine now....but feel much too vulnerable not to get it...will talk to my dr, but don't really think she can predict anything.

[SurferWife]

...you do not want to.

[FiddleDeeDee]

@shoesnbags  The checklist that @Drythe posted lists the reasons why only 1 in my household could receive the vaccine. There are 6 of us and 2 are under age which automatically excludes them plus one sees an RA for a joint issue so that would exclude him as well. Autoimmune issues are a big one as is someone who is in chemo. 

Time will tell as the vaccine works it way through the population. BTW, FLorida is now not slated to get the what they thought they were, vaccine wise. It will be Fall of 2021 before the majority may start receiving it and the Gov is not making it mandatory. At this point, there now making a distinction among which hospital workers are allowed to receive it so not all will unlike other states.

[shoesnbags]

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@FiddleDeeDee wrote:

@shoesnbags  The checklist that @Drythe posted lists the reasons why only 1 in my household could receive the vaccine. There are 6 of us and 2 are under age which automatically excludes them plus one sees an RA for a joint issue so that would exclude him as well. Autoimmune issues are a big one as is someone who is in chemo. 

Time will tell as the vaccine works it way through the population. BTW, FLorida is now not slated to get the what they thought they were, vaccine wise. It will be Fall of 2021 before the majority may start receiving it and the Gov is not making it mandatory. At this point, there now making a distinction among which hospital workers are allowed to receive it so not all will unlike other states.

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@FiddleDeeDee 

Gee, I'm sorry to hear that Florida's vaccine allotment has been reduced.  Were you told the reason for the reduction?  Bad news about the hospital workers, too.  Hospital workers here started to receive their shots on Monday morning.  And it's not just medical people.  They showed a cleaning woman on TV getting her shot.  

[noodleann]

I see general warnings about not getting the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine if you're allergic to any of the vaccine's components, but never saw a list of those components until I read the handout given to patients who are being vaccinated in Great Britain, https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-...

6. Contents of the pack and other information

What COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 contains:

• The active substance is BNT162b2 RNA.

After dilution, the vial contains 5 doses, of 0.3 mL with 30 micrograms mRNA each.

• This vaccine contains polyethylene glycol/macrogol (PEG) as part of ALC-0159

The other ingredients are:

• ALC-0315 = (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate)
• ALC-0159 = 2[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide
• 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine
• cholesterol
• potassium chloride
• potassium dihydrogen phosphate
• sodium chloride
• disodium hydrogen phosphate dihydrate
• sucrose

The manufacturer is listed as BioNTech in Germany, but presumably the same ingredients are in the vaccines being distributed in the US.

I highlighted polyethylene glycol because I read that at this time, that's the suspect in triggering the few serious reactions that have occurred.

Also, the NYT had an article about some vials cotaining not just the expected 5 doses, but as many as 7, even 8 doses. The article was jubilant about the "bonus," which some providers discarded and some used, but I was alarmed that this wasn't seen as evidence of a serious manufacturing irregularity. The possibility that the key ingredients in such overfilled vials could be diluted and not as effective for every dose from that vial wasn't considered in the article.

[FiddleDeeDee]

@shoesnbags  No, we were not told why. The Gov simply stated that we wouldn't be receiving it and that's the way it is. Ok then.

I work in a hospital and what we're being told is that those who work directly with COVID patients will be the first to receive it which makes sense. I'm not sure if front line ER staff and EMT will receive it but IMHO, they should as they are the ones handling the calls and doing the intake when a patient arrives at the hospital. If that patient has COVID, those workers SHOULD be protected as well. We'll see.

@noodleann My SIL emailed me the UK guidelines and I was disappointed to see that the CDC was not warning the US population in the same way. I have to ask myself why that is. In any event, even if we COULD qualify with no health issues, our state won't have for another year so....

[Lipstickdiva]

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@Drythe wrote:

@Icegoddess 

@Nonametoday 

Of note -

The COVID-19 vaccines do not change DNA 🧬.

Two of them alter RNA, not at all the same

They do not all require such drastic refrigeration.

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And this is why you don't get your information from social media.  

I'm not sure why we are supposed to believe someone who may or may not be a "nurse friend" who posted something on FB.  

This falls under all of the "friends" we heard about who got in line to get a Covid test, decided to get out of line because they were tired of waiting and then got a call or paper in the mail that they tested positive.  

[Drythe]

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@noodleann wrote:

I see general warnings about not getting the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine if you're allergic to any of the vaccine's components, but never saw a list of those components until I read the handout given to patients who are being vaccinated in Great Britain, https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-...

6. Contents of the pack and other information

What COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 contains:

• The active substance is BNT162b2 RNA.

After dilution, the vial contains 5 doses, of 0.3 mL with 30 micrograms mRNA each.

• This vaccine contains polyethylene glycol/macrogol (PEG) as part of ALC-0159

The other ingredients are:

• ALC-0315 = (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate)
• ALC-0159 = 2[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide
• 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine
• cholesterol
• potassium chloride
• potassium dihydrogen phosphate
• sodium chloride
• disodium hydrogen phosphate dihydrate
• sucrose

The manufacturer is listed as BioNTech in Germany, but presumably the same ingredients are in the vaccines being distributed in the US.

I highlighted polyethylene glycol because I read that at this time, that's the suspect in triggering the few serious reactions that have occurred.

Also, the NYT had an article about some vials cotaining not just the expected 5 doses, but as many as 7, even 8 doses. The article was jubilant about the "bonus," which some providers discarded and some used, but I was alarmed that this wasn't seen as evidence of a serious manufacturing irregularity. The possibility that the key ingredients in such overfilled vials could be diluted and not as effective for every dose from that vial wasn't considered in the article.

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@noodleann 

Re your final paragraph:

No need for alarm, about the overfilling, the concerns you mention 

have been addressed and dismissed.  Likely the reason the NYT did not mention them. 

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@ThinkingOutLoud wrote:

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@tsavorite wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

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@Icegoddess wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

Anyone getting the vaccine will most likely be receiving it from a medical professional of some kind. Odds are, he or she will explain, however briefly, the dos and don'ts or, if it's like the flu vaccine, the recipient will have to fill out and sign a page of medical information prior to the administration of the shot. Even realizing how much some seem compelled to post about it here, no need, really, to get one's information elsewhere than from the medical professional administering it to you...

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@stevieb, the problem is that this info is not on the CDC fact sheet which means it is not included in the questions the medical professionals are given to ask before giving it.  

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@Icegoddess  One might suppose that by the time the vaccine is widely available to the general public the list of disclaimers will be updated. Until then and given that right now administration is primarily to medical personnel, anyone getting it more or less knows they're virtually a test subject.

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I was wondering about this also.  If it goes to health care workers and those at high risk...elderly I am assuming plus other co-morbiities patients.  They are expanding the testing of the efficacy of these vaccines.  More general population won't get it until spring next yr... I think they are saying.

My friend had a kidney transplant about 8wks ago...wonder what her doctors will recommend for her?  She is on serious meds that suppress her immune system now.  

Also there are many autoimmune diseases...how do you decide if you should get this or any covid vaccine?  Yes I know talk to your doctor but still there isn't that much data out there on this so it is a educated "guess" at best?

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@tsavorite 

No, there's a way to know what is best for *you* to do. Consult your Creator.

basically: 1 - make a decision one way or the other, 2 - pray on it and see how you feel, 3 - trust and be at peace

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@ThinkingOutLoud  Thank you for saying this...I do know better LOL!!!  I needed the reminder....