Wellness

[noodleann]

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@Drythe wrote:

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Also, the NYT had an article about some vials cotaining not just the expected 5 doses, but as many as 7, even 8 doses. The article was jubilant about the "bonus," which some providers discarded and some used, but I was alarmed that this wasn't seen as evidence of a serious manufacturing irregularity. The possibility that the key ingredients in such overfilled vials could be diluted and not as effective for every dose from that vial wasn't considered in the article.

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@noodleann 

Re your final paragraph:

No need for alarm, about the overfilling, the concerns you mention 

have been addressed and dismissed.  Likely the reason the NYT did not mention them. 

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@Drythe Where and by whom? Source, please, and not Pfizer or BioNTech. TIA.

[Drythe]

Source bringing forward alarms you mention?

CBS, NBC, confirmed FDA review of generously filled vials, and my personal experience that vials are frequently well filled. 

[noodleann]

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@Drythe wrote:

Source bringing forward alarms you mention?

CBS, NBC, confirmed FDA review of generously filled vials, and my personal experience that vials are frequently well filled. 

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I didn't "mention alarms." I said I was alarmed by the unaccounted discrepancy, which means that the vials have 40% to 60% more contents than they're supposed to.

Still waiting for documentation. 

[Drythe]

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@noodleann wrote:

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@Drythe wrote:

Source bringing forward alarms you mention?

CBS, NBC, confirmed FDA review of generously filled vials, and my personal experience that vials are frequently well filled. 

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I didn't "mention alarms." I said I was alarmed by the unaccounted discrepancy, which means that the vials have 40% to 60% more contents than they're supposed to.

Still waiting for documentation. 

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@noodleann 

In fact you asked for a source, of which I provided three.

I understand - you were alarmed about some thoughts you had.

So, I will wait no longer for you to provide the documentation I requested.

I’m always glad for the opportunity to learn new information here.

With that thought in mind, I’m moving on from this convo.

Nothing follows.

[emmygrace]

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@PilatesLover wrote:

I saw on the news that children, pregnant women and people with compromised immune systems were not included in the test studies. 

I haven't discussed it with my rheumatologist yet, but due to my AI issues I am not inclined to hop on board until a lot more is known about it.

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I also heard that it can cause Bell's Palsy...!

[emmygrace]

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@Hooty wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

Anyone getting the vaccine will most likely be receiving it from a medical professional of some kind. Odds are, he or she will explain, however briefly, the dos and don'ts or, if it's like the flu vaccine, the recipient will have to fill out and sign a page of medical information prior to the administration of the shot. Even realizing how much some seem compelled to post about it here, no need, really, to get one's information elsewhere than from the medical professional administering it to you...

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@stevieb AMEN!!!   If my Dr. (who I trust) advises me to take the vaccine I will!  My sister died of Covid-19 in June and I wish this had been available for her to have had a chance to live a little longer!

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I'm so sorry Hooty! 

[pitdakota]

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@Drythe wrote:

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@noodleann wrote:

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@Drythe wrote:

Source bringing forward alarms you mention?

CBS, NBC, confirmed FDA review of generously filled vials, and my personal experience that vials are frequently well filled. 

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I didn't "mention alarms." I said I was alarmed by the unaccounted discrepancy, which means that the vials have 40% to 60% more contents than they're supposed to.

Still waiting for documentation. 

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@noodleann 

In fact you asked for a source, of which I provided three.

I understand - you were alarmed about some thoughts you had.

So, I will wait no longer for you to provide the documentation I requested.

I’m always glad for the opportunity to learn new information here.

With that thought in mind, I’m moving on from this convo.

Nothing follows.

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@Drythe, since I am a nurse that has given not only goo gobs of vaccines, but spent more than 4 decades drawing up medications from multi-dose vials, I will attempt to weigh in here.

It is not a manufacturing defect that multi-dose vials are a tad overfilled.  That is fairly standard with any multi-dose vial of whatever vaccination or any medication it is in that vial.  There are times when people that are new to drawing up medications have a little trouble and get quite a bit of air in the syringe so that when they work to expel the air they also lose part of the medication and may end up missing just a fraction of the dose.  In that case, there is a small amount extra left in the vial to compensate.  

In the case of the Pfizer vaccine the dose equals what is 3 tenths of a cc.(0.3 cc).   That is a scant amount of liquid, so that it would be easy for an extra dose to be contained in each vial due to the normal overfill they allow.  With this vaccination program I would gander a guess that they have fairly experienced people drawing up doses and don't have nursing students, new nurses, etc. preparing the doses.  So the extra ends up being a full extra dose.   Easy peasy and no manufacturing defect at all.   

[Drythe]

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@pitdakota wrote: 

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@Drythe, since I am a nurse that has given not only goo gobs of vaccines, but spent more than 4 decades drawing up medications from multi-dose vials, I will attempt to weigh in here.

It is not a manufacturing defect that multi-dose vials are a tad overfilled.  That is fairly standard with any multi-dose vial of whatever vaccination or any medication it is in that vial.  There are times when people that are new to drawing up medications have a little trouble and get quite a bit of air in the syringe so that when they work to expel the air they also lose part of the medication and may end up missing just a fraction of the dose.  In that case, there is a small amount extra left in the vial to compensate.  

In the case of the Pfizer vaccine the dose equals what is 3 tenths of a cc.(0.3 cc).   That is a scant amount of liquid, so that it would be easy for an extra dose to be contained in each vial due to the normal overfill they allow.  With this vaccination program I would gander a guess that they have fairly experienced people drawing up doses and don't have nursing students, new nurses, etc. preparing the doses.  So the extra ends up being a full extra dose.   Easy peasy and no manufacturing defect at all.   

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@pitdakota 

Always good to see you!

I gave allergy shots to myself for years, Parents made me write down on the bottle which dose I had just given myself, so it was easy to know there were always a bit of leftovers!  Many years later studying vaccination programs, I asked  my epidemiology prof. about it and his answer was the same as yours!   Your good information and knowledge is so welcome.

 -Be Well ~ Be Safe-

[skatting44]

 Oh my, I can't beleive  that this  hasn't been poofed away. How many times  can you beat a dead horse .  So many  need to just discuss the issue with their Medical Doctors  along with asking abt " how the  body normally reacts " to immunizations. 

[willdob3]

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@skatting44 wrote:

 Oh my, I can't beleive  that this  hasn't been poofed away. How many times  can you beat a dead horse .  So many  need to just discuss the issue with their Medical Doctors  along with asking abt " how the  body normally reacts " to immunizations. 

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@skatting44 

Really? There is nothing “normal” about this new virus and the vaccine is almost as unknown as the virus is. Most doctors don’t know any more about it than anyone else. 

No one should simply take the word of a doctor at face value on anything. They are just people and only know what they have been told, though they don’t always know even that. And much of the time what they have been taught is proven to be completely wrong.