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05-15-2023 12:34 PM
I'm getting hammered by one of my posts at the notion that a doctor of doctor office would possibly upsell patients for non-covered services. My derm office text me several times a week for me to sign up to deliver covd tests. Easy money.
Here is an example:
Medicare will now pay physician practices and other eligible providers to distribute over-the-counter (OTC) COVID-19 test kits to beneficiaries. Patients with Medicare Part B coverage, including those enrolled in Medicare Advantage plans, can get up to eight tests per calendar month for the duration of the COVID-19 public health emergency.
No new enrollment process is required. Pharmacies and health care providers that currently provide ambulatory care such as vaccines, lab tests or other clinic-type visits to people with Medicare are eligible to participate.
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) established an HCPCS Level II code, K1034, to bill for these tests. The code is for a single test and includes all Food and Drug Administration-approved, authorized or cleared COVID-19 tests for which the specimen is self-collected and the test is self-administered. Providers submit claims for the tests to the same Medicare administrative contractor (MAC) to which they submit other Medicare claims. Other payers, including private insurance and Medicaid programs, may also utilize this code.
CMS established a fixed national payment rate of $12 per OTC COVID-19 test. If a participating pharmacy or health care provider usually charges less than $12 per test, then Medicare pays the lower amoun
I am not in any way suggesting that this is a dishonest practice.
Cataract surgery= upsell to premium lenses
Derm= upsell to cosmetic proceedures, sell products
GI= my GI doc recommends and sells her own brand of supplements
PCP= immunizations, requiring virtual visit for RX refills,
ENT= selling hearing aids
FROM AMA site
The new report examines the different methods used to compensate physicians from 2012 to 2018, such as salary, personal productivity, practice financial performance, or bonus unrelated to personal productivity. Physicians in solo practice are excluded from survey questions as their compensation is directly related to practice financial performance, which itself is partly driven by productivity.
Salary was the main method of physician compensation in 2018, with two-thirds of doctors earning a portion of their income from salary and 56.9% earning more than half of their income from this method of payment.
Meanwhile, 54.9% of physicians received compensation based on personal productivity and, for 28.6%, more than half of their income was productivity based.
05-15-2023 12:50 PM - edited 05-15-2023 12:52 PM
Sorry you're getting 'hammered'. It just shows that many people don't seem to be aware of the unethical things drs do and how things have changed. I've shared examples in the past on these boards hoping it might help people become better informed and smarter consumers.
05-15-2023 01:04 PM - edited 05-15-2023 01:06 PM
I have a doctor appt next week to have labs so I can get my thyroid medication refill. I don't want to hear anything from the doctor about any other tests our ways for them to make money. I'm sick of their BS. I refuse to play their games.
Wish I was not hypothyroid because I would never go to the doctor. I am going to see if taking cbd alone will work as my thyroid medication. I already know when I was taking it I felt like I was taking too much medication. All I can do is try it plus labs to see where my numbers are.
I hope people realize that Insurance companies pay for certain tests without question so we are suppose to go have these even if we don't need or want them. I always say no thanks. LOL!!! After I do that I receive a letter to find a new doctor??? Pisses me off. I need my thyroid medication so they are not holding this BS over my head.
Like they are telling me go do these tests or you cannot have your medication. Rain on that?
The doctor offices that are in these groups working under the hospital are the worse.
05-15-2023 01:05 PM
The administration ended the Covid health emergency, so there shouldn't be more Covid tests going out. The practice sounds shady and nothing I'd want to be involved with.
05-15-2023 01:09 PM
Reading this makes me even more grateful that I don't have any medical problems--at least none that I know of since I haven't been to a doctor in 4+ years. IMO, doctors will always find something wrong and want to prescribe drugs. One doctor wanted to prescribe a drug for my "sluggish" thyroid and was surprised when I refused. She said most women want the drug because it helps lose weight. Yeah, and what else does it do?? It would have to be a serious problem for me to go to a doctor.
05-15-2023 01:17 PM
The medical system certainly has issues. I do go for my yearly physical and get my blood work done and all, but my confidence in the medical community is not what it used to be.
05-15-2023 01:18 PM
I'll go ahead and re-share an example:
Some years ago, I heard on the nightly news that a very expensive shot was found not to be effective after all. Just a few weeks later, I accompany a relative to a dr appt. The dr offered the shot. I told them what the news reported. THEY OFFERED IT AGAIN! I suggested to my relative to refuse it since it's not effective. Luckily they followed my advice and didn't waste their money.
(considering who pays for ad time for the nightly news, if they reveal the truth about rx, then what does that tell you and how long did they sit on that info?)
05-15-2023 01:24 PM
We have been sent 12 covid tests in the past few months. And when I went to pick up my Rx the pharmacist asked if we wanted more of them. Not sure what the story is but I bet it has something to do with $$$.
05-15-2023 01:55 PM
@kaydee50 I've never had the same experience as you have had, luckily. My PCP doesn't prescribe a drug (usually an antibiotic) without a good and verifiable reason. He's not a pill pusher in the least!
05-15-2023 02:22 PM
Upsell? How does that apply to a PHYSICIAN'S office just ADVISING patients of recent CMS initiatives? They provided information but nowhere do I see where they beyond that. Perhaps you aren't aware but physicians are not philanthropists. All medical practices, labs, physical therapists offices etc are businesses and like all businesses, they seek out ways to make a profit. Dermatologists sell their own skincare products, ENT's sell hearing aids, dentists sell electric tooth brushes. My optometrist sells regular non prescription sunglasses. They all have salaries to pay, rent, supplies, equipment and insurers pay less every year.
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