Covid-19 When Did It Really Start - Page 5

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

@Isobel Archer wrote:
I really don't know what to think. Is this worse than flu? Is it mistaken for flu? Is flu mistaken now for the virus? Do we really know what is going on?

Yes.

It's worse than the flu.

Not sure why the comparison is still being made.

I recently saw an interesting take:

"Does influenza infect & kill the number of

healthcare providers like COVID-19?"

No.

SilleeMee · ‎05-22-2016

Some people might think they have the flu when in reality they might have the coronavirus inside them as well as the flu virus in them at the same time. Even after they get swab-tested for the cv, a negative swab-test result may not prove they are without the virus. A negative swab-test means the test either did not detect virus material or the test was not sensitive enough to detect the tiny amount of virus present. Negative swab tests should be interpreted with caution because you can still be harbouring the virus in such small amounts which later could become problematic. Social distancing is really our only defense at this time. Negative swab tests should not be a security blanket and people who test negative should still practice distancing.

Isobel Archer · ‎04-04-2015

@sidsmom wrote:
@Isobel Archer wrote:
I really don't know what to think. Is this worse than flu? Is it mistaken for flu? Is flu mistaken now for the virus? Do we really know what is going on?
Yes.
It's worse than the flu.
Not sure why the comparison is still being made.

I recently saw an interesting take:

"Does influenza infect & kill the number of
healthcare providers like COVID-19?"

No.

The comparison is made due to overall numbers. 80,000 deaths last year in the U.S. would be at a minimum 8,000 a month if you had a 10 month flu season. We are nowhere remotely near that with Covid.

Both are contagious diseases - unlike some of the other big killers like heart disease, stroke and cancer - which also kill far more per year than this has.

I don't know why more medical people die of Covid 19 - especially when we are also told it mostly kills the elderly and those with serous underlying health condiditons - neither of which represents the majority of health care professionals I'd imagine.

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

@Isobel Archer wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:
@Isobel Archer wrote:
I really don't know what to think. Is this worse than flu? Is it mistaken for flu? Is flu mistaken now for the virus? Do we really know what is going on?
Yes.
It's worse than the flu.
Not sure why the comparison is still being made.

I recently saw an interesting take:

"Does influenza infect & kill the number of
healthcare providers like COVID-19?"

No.

I don't know why more medical people die of Covid 19 - especially when we are also told it mostly kills the elderly and those with serous underlying health condiditons - neither of which represents the majority of health care professionals I'd imagine.

We don't know why...because it's a highly infectious disease

which is out-of-control. Medical people aren't any different

than the rest of us...but having them affected by it is a huge

indicator of how dangerous it is.

Modern Day illnesses can be managed with pills/procedures

and Flu/pneumonia is uncomfortable for a couple weeks but all

these things are 'recoverable'. COVID-19 patients could realistically

be on ventilators for quite some time.

It's not so much as a Death Rate...but a Suffer Rate.

While we're still learning about COVID-19.

Lipstickdiva · ‎03-10-2010

The last numbers I heard reported indicated that 29% of those who have Covid-19 are in the 20-44 age range. That number was much higher than they thought it would be. I do not recall off the top of my head what the percentage of that group needed hospitalization/ventilators, etc.

As an aside, I heard Tuesday that Ohio no longer reports negative cases. There are a handful of states that don't. Without those figures I'm not sure how you are ever going to get truly accurate figures.

It is still taking an enormous amount of time to get test results too because the labs are overwhelmed. I know someone who is 8 days in and still hasn't received his results. Someone else I know was tested Monday and found out Tuesday night she was negative.

According to the CDC, 61,200 people died from the flu during the 2018-2019 flu season which was well under their estimates. So far during the 2019/2020 flu season, they are estimating anywhere from 23,000-59,000 people have died from the flu. That is a huge range.

NYCLatinaMe · ‎01-14-2017

@Isobel Archer your statement that "we are also told it mostly kills the elderly and those with serous underlying health condiditons" was a statement based on the information we received from Italy and China. Clearly those with respiratory illnesses and weak immune systems are more liklely to die from covid-19. Everyone is vulnerable. The illness is spread through droplets with the virus reaching someone else's mucous system. That is what we need to avoid to stay safe. A lot of sick people waiting in long lines for hospital tests, terrible.

Lipstickdiva · ‎03-10-2010

I just read about a 48 year old nurse at Mount Sinai West Hospital who passed away after being diagnosed. It was stated she had asthma.

NYCLatinaMe · ‎01-14-2017

@SilleeMee wrote:

Thanks @NYCLatinaMe
That part where you said "...most tests will be negative" is where I think there is a problem with the test itself. The current test method has a sensitivity if around 97% which means 3 out of 100 people tested could still have the virus even though they have a negative test! The CDC has not released this bit of info about the reporting of false-negatives. If you asked me that's a good idea because the true picture of the pandemic would be startling, even more so. The new 'rapid-test' ...I don't know what the sensitivity is for that one. From my experience as a lab specialist, rapid tests are not any better.

Hi @SilleeMee you seem to be suggesting that there is a bias in the system towards false negatives, but I don't believe that, just my opinion, and I'll explain. Patients with cov-19 have different protocols than those without. I just don't think our health care providers would want to put more people at risk. It runs against their interests. What certain government officials have done which is unbelievably problematic and dangerous to the population is limit testing. The health care community and a few government officials (thank you Gov Cuomo) fought strongly to increase testing.

Unfortunately, the need to fight for testing left us unprepared for what is happening now, and going forward. For the life of me, I can't understand why the federal government. which has the power, isn't manufacturing protective gear and ventilators, and, for the consumer, sanitizing products, which I have been unable to find anywhere for the last few weeks.

NYCLatinaMe · ‎01-14-2017

@Isobel Archer I sure don't understand your point. We know influenza and how to address it. Covid-19 appears to have been born in Nov 2019, and has overwhelmed the world's health care systems and we haven't figure out a way to control it other than isolation. But the human is not designed to live in isolation.

SilleeMee · ‎05-22-2016

@NYCLatinaMe

The coronavirus test is not 100% accurate. That is not a matter of ethics or the medical system but a matter of the science and the lack of a more sensitive test method. Sensitivity for the current swab test is 97%. Reports of negative tests done on some patients today, for instance, may still harbour the virus at a rate of 3% but the amount of virus is too small for it to be detected by the current swab test method. A negative test does not prove the absence of the virus. A positive test confirms the presence of it. Bottom line is the swab test is not accurate.

Some reports about the accuracy of the cv swab test say it's only 85% accurate. False-negative reports could be as high as 15 out of 100 people tested....walking around with "negative" test results.