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Re: Cost of meds

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To be sure, someone is getting rich from the price of these drugs, and it isn't the customer. Three of the drugs I must take are controlled....the cheapest price for two of them is $1900 each for 30 pills....do the math! I do have Medicare advantage...my cost is still $70 each for the two drugs, but it's the best price I have found. Good RX doesn't cover them. Each time   I pick up my meds, I wonder if I am making payments on someone's yacht, vacation, or new mansion remodeling.

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I think the drug companies randomly raise the tier of drugs just so they can charge more. DH has two heart meds he takes and one of them magically went from tier one to tier three. The other one went from tier two to tier four...no explanation, just a big jump on the prices.

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@Duckncover wrote:

To be sure, someone is getting rich from the price of these drugs, and it isn't the customer. Three of the drugs I must take are controlled....the cheapest price for two of them is $1900 each for 30 pills....do the math! I do have Medicare advantage...my cost is still $70 each for the two drugs, but it's the best price I have found. Good RX doesn't cover them. Each time   I pick up my meds, I wonder if I am making payments on someone's yacht, vacation, or new mansion remodeling.


 

I call it price gouging since these companies are making record profits. Until congress does something substantial, such as allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices, nothing will change. And big pharma owns a lot of those in congress.

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@sligo wrote:

@violann, Having thyroid removed because of thyroid cancer I can only take Synthroid. Dr. will not allow generic. 30 tablets cost  $45.00. Asked cost of generic for same number of pills $11.00.


Totally understand. @sligo. Thyroid replacement is tricky anyway, and to think of having to play with these cost differences? Obscene!

 

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One of the newer hemophilia drugs is called Hemlibra and has a list price of $450,000 a year. Yeah. I know expensive drugs. Why is it so expensive? Because "it'll save society money in the long run."

 

What drugs cost is often based on their so-called "value to society" and not the development and manufacturing costs. In the hemophilia community, we've seen this play out over the last half-decade. Prior to the mid-seventies the standard treatment for hemophilia was cryoprecipitate which generally had to be administered in a hospital/ER setting. (Cryoprecipitate is what you get when you freeze plasma. The plasma precipitates out into layers and one layer contains the clotting factors. That layer was then used to treat hemophilia.)

 

In the mid-seventies, they figured out how to freeze-dry the clotting factors. This made them stable under refrigeration and allowed for treatment in doctor's offices or homes. What to charge? Well, the cryoprecipitate was pretty cheap stuff (still is), but the hospital-related costs made treatment very expensive. The powers-that-be concluded that if it cost $5,000 to treat hemophilia in an ER/hospital setting then we should charge $4,000 per treatment for the home/doctor's office use. Society will save $1,000 per treatment. Whoo hoo! Yeah.

 

It didn't work that way. What happened is that small bleeds that would have been treated at home with RICE (rest, ice, compression, and elevation) were now being treated with clotting factor. Instead of one, two, or three trips a year for treatment at an ER/hospital (costing up to $15,000 in total), patients were now getting infused with clotting factor two or three times a month costing up to $12,000 a month. Doctors soon realized they could prevent most bleeds by infusing factor three times a week costing up to $12,000 a week. The cost of treating hemophilia skyrocketed and by the 1980s the average cost to treat hemophilia was over $300,000 compared to the more typical $10,000-$15,000 before the freeze-dried clotting factor came along. So much for saving society lots of cash.

 

These days the estimated cost to treat hemophilia is between $500,000 and $850,000 with some patients costing even more. So, for the folks behind Hemlibra charging "just" $450,000 a year makes it a bargain. "Look at all the money we'll save society!" Yeah. Been there, done that.

 

Now genetic therapy for hemophilia is on the horizon to cure hemophilia. The hemophilia community has funded this research for decades. What will they charge to fix our genes? The estimated cost now is between $1 million and $2 million. Why so expensive when the community paid for most of the research? Because it'll save society so much money over treating hemophilia conventionally. A single $2 million payment is so much cheaper than paying $850,000 each year! 

 

The cost of medications typically has next to nothing to do with development costs or manufacturing costs. It's the "impact on society" that controls costs. Well, control isn't the right word as they never try to control costs. They use the "impact on society" to justify charging whatever the heck they feel like charging. The hemophilia community has seen treating hemophilia go from somewhat expensive to "Are you freaking kidding me?" 

 

When it comes to pricing meds like heart medications, they'll argue that their new medication prevents hundreds/thousands of heart attacks a year and each heart attack would cost X amount of money, so if they charge less than X amount of money for the medication, society wins. What the medicine actually costs to develop, make, distribute, doesn't matter. It's the "impact on society" that controls the cost. 

 

Until that whole "impact on society" narrative gets changed and the real-world cost of developing, making, and distributing the drug is used to set the price, we'll see these absurd prices. 

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My husband and I got on the medicare part d website in November and picked a more cost effective drug plan for him. He's on one med now and its not that expensive considering but if he needs more meds at some point, we realized that another plan with copays would be cheaper in the long run. We add up the monthly cost of his med, the montly premium, and the deductible. I am on an ACA (Obamacare) plan that costs me $1400 a month and the generic drugs are "free" but they sure limit a lot of expensive drugs. I used Good RX to get my narcotics for my recent surgury. $500 for 40 pills. 

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My BF only has 1/4 of his pancreas left. He just went on Medicare and keeps complaining about coverage vs the coverage he had thru his employer (which was not that great IMO)

 

He has had to jump through hoops, but finally got SOME coverage for his insulin pump. The issue is that it is a disaposable pod he fills and attaches to his arm and it connects via bluetooth (or something) to a small controller he carries. Omni Pod Dash 

 

Since it is tubeless and the pods are disposable, it is not considered durable equipment under Medicare Part B. 

 

His endocrinologist has been wonderful with working on prescriptions with proper coding and diagnoses. 

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@CalminHeart wrote:

@catter70 wrote:

I have COPD and use an inhaler once daily. I 'm on Medicare. I just put in an order for my 3 month supply of my inhaler and the cost has gone up to $533.00. I know others pay more than that for some very needed drugs. I don't understand why if you get get generic viagra, they can't come up with less costly alternatives for life sustaining drugs. I'm just venting, but it annoys me to no end.


 

Have you used GoodRX? I'm on Medicare and It took my inhaler from $233.00 per month down to $82 per month.  Check it out and see if it'll help you. 


I was just going to suggest that. I always check GoodRX now and many times find my drugs cheaper than my insurance co-pay.

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I wrote a thread in Community Chat about Mark Cuban starting his own online pharmacy. They are generic drugs and the prices are really reasonable.

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