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Re: Canadian Study Shows Flu Shot Beneficial To Women

pitdakota, Thanks for your comments. I respect your expertise and experience, and I always enjoy and learn a great deal from your posts. You're a gem.

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Many people I know won't take flu shots. I've done it twice and won't choose to again.
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On 1/19/2014 AngelPuppy1 said:

A few years ago I had flu so badly I nearly died. I now get a flu shot every year. I have not experienced a bad flu since this. I believe it is an individual choice. I believe for my family and myself it is the right thing to do. Many family members and I are in extremely poor health and we feel this helps us. It is not a miracle cure --- nothing is.

ITA! I spent two weeks in the hospital many years ago with a very bad case of the flu; I remember how sick I was and I never miss getting a flu shot each year...haven't had the flu since I started getting the flu shot.....and I taught in public schools for many years....the teachers who refused to get one almost always ended up sick and missing many days of school.
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On 1/23/2014 upsidedown said:

ITA! I spent two weeks in the hospital many years ago with a very bad case of the flu; I remember how sick I was and I never miss getting a flu shot each year...haven't had the flu since I started getting the flu shot.....and I taught in public schools for many years....the teachers who refused to get one almost always ended up sick and missing many days of school.
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upsidedown, you wrote exactly what I was going to! Many, many years ago, before the flu vaccine was invented, I was also teaching and caught a case of the flu that landed me in the hospital. I was 29 or 30 then, so it had nothing to do with being "old" or feeble. The year after that, when the flu vaccine was made available publicly, I got one. I've had a flu shot every year since then and have never gotten the flu again. So, for me, I know exactly the kind of protection my body is getting from the shot!

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Pitdakota, please know that I didn't state that the approximate 50% flu shot efficacy rate was tied to the study I cited. Please don't twist my words in that way. I have read many studies about flu shot efficacy, and considering that sometimes the flu shot matches the circulating strains, and sometimes it does not, and the known fact that the shot has seriously fluctuating efficacy each and every year, efficacy can be either existent to some degree, or nonexistent.

I have grave concerns about any medical procedure (such as the flu shot) that is given a blanket recommendation for every single person on the planet aged six months on up, on an annual basis, when not a single long term longitudinal safety study has been conducted on those who wish to receive a flu shot each year. What does "priming" the immune system on an annual basis do to the immune system? Does such annual priming contribute to the uptick of auto-immune disorders such as MS, Lupus, ALS, Diabetes, etc.? That would be nice to know, for sure. I find the lack of such research troubling.

I am constantly finding articles illustrating the moral bankruptcy of the pharmaceutical industry-- Glaxo bribing the health officials in China, Merck threatening to "neutralize" the doctors in Australia who dared to question the safety of Vioxx, and even the American Medical Association wanting to mandate vaccine experimentation on the US population without their consent. Check out this scary article, if you dare, entitled Should Participation in Vaccine Clinical Trials be Mandated? Are you, Pitdakota, and you, DooBdoo, and you, Upsidedown, and you, too, AspenGrove, willing to have anyone mandate your personal participation in vaccine clinical trials as a test subject? Do you believe in the safety and efficacy of vaccines, even vaccines that are in development, that completely?

I ask you, why should anyone place their faith in such a corrupt industry, complete with corrupt medical associations, over their own God, and intelligent and extraordinary design, complete with an immune system that even immunologists don't truly understand? I don't, and I won't.

Respectfully, I will leave you with the words of a PhD currently at Johns Hopkins, Dr. Peter Doshi from his May 16, 2013 article in the British Medical Journal : "But perhaps the cleverest aspect of the influenza marketing strategy surrounds the claim that "flu" and "influenza" are the same. The distinction seems subtle, and purely semantic. But general lack of awareness of the difference might be the primary reason few people realize that even the ideal influenza vaccine, matched perfectly to circulating strains of wild influenza and capable of stopping all influenza viruses, can only deal with a small part of the "flu" problem because most "flu" appears to have nothing to do with influenza. Every year, hundreds of thousands of respiratory specimens are tested across the US. Of those tested, on average 16% are found to be influenza positive. (fig 2) All influenza is "flu," but only one in six "flus" might be influenza. It's no wonder so many people feel that "flu shots" don't work: for most flus, they can't."

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I have been reading the influenza threads with interest. **Jersey Born** If an individual is determined to find supportive terminology to fit their already **preconceived** beliefs they can do so. It is apparent you are doing this very thing. **Selective choice** from here and there sounds interesting but is no basis for one's proper care and sound health and well being. Dangerous misinformation and **conspiracy theory** can harm those who read without further guidance from qualified professionals.

Question: what is your formal education and work experience and licensure in medicine, science or epidemiology?

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**Addendum** It continues to stretch one's imagination to see the QVC corporation allow unknown posters free to practice medicine on these fora. ***Caveat Lector** to all.

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On 1/23/2014 OverandOut said:

**Addendum** It continues to stretch one's imagination to see the QVC corporation allow unknown posters free to practice medicine on these fora. ***Caveat Lector** to all.

OverandOut, I am not trying to practice medicine. I am not advising anyone to either take a flu shot or decline a flu shot. There are always at least two sides to any issue, and this very divisive topic is no different. I am merely providing my personal opinion, and some readily available research studies to anyone who might be interested in reading them.

Why do you ask me to disclose personal information about myself and my education level? It is apparent that you don't appreciate the other side of the argument regarding influenza vaccination. What difference would it make to you if I were a doctor or epidemiologist or PhD? You feel that I should not be allowed to have "selective choice?" That's a very bold statement.

I am not providing misinformation, either, but valid, published research studies from reputable medical journals. Why do you think I need to have a specific medical background to make my own medical decisions, or to form and state opinions about certain medical procedures? Why should anyone? I believe we should all feel free to state our opinions on any topic, here at this forum, or anywhere else, without the fear of being stifled or suppressed. Freedom of Speech is a blessing, and it should be encouraged, not repressed.

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On 1/23/2014 Jersey Born said:
On 1/23/2014 OverandOut said:

**Addendum** It continues to stretch one's imagination to see the QVC corporation allow unknown posters free to practice medicine on these fora. ***Caveat Lector** to all.

OverandOut, I am not trying to practice medicine. I am not advising anyone to either take a flu shot or decline a flu shot. There are always at least two sides to any issue, and this very divisive topic is no different. I am merely providing my personal opinion, and some readily available research studies to anyone who might be interested in reading them.

Why do you ask me to disclose personal information about myself and my education level? It is apparent that you don't appreciate the other side of the argument regarding influenza vaccination. What difference would it make to you if I were a doctor or epidemiologist or PhD? You feel that I should not be allowed to have "selective choice?" That's a very bold statement.

I am not providing misinformation, either, but valid, published research studies from reputable medical journals. Why do you think I need to have a specific medical background to make my own medical decisions, or to form and state opinions about certain medical procedures? Why should anyone? I believe we should all feel free to state our opinions on any topic, here at this forum, or anywhere else, without the fear of being stifled or suppressed. Freedom of Speech is a blessing, and it should be encouraged, not repressed.

Providing one's credentials prior to purporting to understand more than the qualified, educated, experienced professionals and prior to dispensing medical advice is not personal information. ( It's not as though I requested your name. )) If you are unable to do so that is certainly fine. Readers: always beware. ***Caveat Lector*** before allowing shopping board posters to provide **selected portions** of information and to interpret medical research. I implore all to consult their doctors.

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And I implore all to do their own research, and make their own, best, personally informed medical decisions, whenever it is possible to do so, as only those on the receiving end of those very important medical decisions have to live with the results.